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#1 Hipshot Percussion

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 07:29 AM

Judge Sides with NRA, 2nd Amendment Foundation, Disqualifies Washington Gun Control Initiative

 

by AWR HAWKINS  17 Aug 2018

 

A Thurston County Superior Court judge sided with the NRA and Second Amendment Foundation against a gun-control ballot initiative in the state of Washington.

On July 3, Breitbart News reported that the initiative, I-1639, was being presented as a simple attempt to raise the legal age for long gun purchases from 18 to 21. Although an attempt to disqualify 18- to 20-year-olds from exercising their Second Amendments is troubling enough, the reality of the matter is that I-1639 would have put in place a new system of background checks and myriad other guns controls as well.

The NRA-ILA listed a few of the controls I-1639 would have put in place:

  • [Created] a gun registry for any transfers of commonly owned semi-automatic rifles;
  • [Introduced] a 10-business day waiting period on the purchase of semi-automatic rifles;
  • [Imposed] criminal liability on otherwise law-abiding gun owners who fail to store their firearms to state standards;
  • [Increased] the age limit to possess or purchase semi-automatic rifles from 18 to 21;
  • [Mandated] training prior to purchase;
  • And [authorized]a $25 fee to be assessed to semiautomatic rifle purchasers.

The fee alone would be a new tax that could be raised after a period of time in order to make the purchase of commonly owned semiautomatic firearms cost prohibitive.

The NRA and Second Amendment Foundation filed two separate suits against the initiative, the suits were consolidated and the ruling in favor of both groups was handed down Friday.

 

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Edited by Hipshot Percussion, 18 August 2018 - 07:29 AM.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:05 AM

Good news!

There's so much wrong with I-1639 - a book could be written about the infringements.


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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:51 AM

So basically, they are just gonna have to reprint it with a larger font size, go get all the signatures again and re-submit the document ?

That sounds more like a temporary delay of impending doom than a victory. Kinda just like what's happening in this state atm. 


Edited by mic6010, 18 August 2018 - 08:52 AM.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 11:24 AM

1639 will be child's play compared to what will happen in IL if Pritzker becomes Gov.

Kavanaugh needs to get on the SCOTUS ASAP.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 07:00 PM

Raising the age limit to 21 really burns my butt. At 17, Uncle Sam and the Marine Corps gave me a fully automatic M1 A1 rifle and told me to go kill a commie for mommy. I did not turn 21 until a month and a half after I got out of the Marines. We have so many young men (and women) serving now that would be screwed over big time by this.



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:38 PM

ya,

 

I turned 21 about half-way through my enlistment.

 

Another odd thing, I wasn't able to drink or purchase alcohol off-post, but I could drink at the Enlisted Men's club and purchase alcohol at the post package store.

 

Probably not called the Enlisted Men's club anymore... :(


 

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 08:25 PM

They ignore the "Takings Clause" of the 5th Amendment...and pretty much everything else that's inconvenient.
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Posted 19 August 2018 - 10:54 PM

ya,

 

I turned 21 about half-way through my enlistment.

 

Another odd thing, I wasn't able to drink or purchase alcohol off-post, but I could drink at the Enlisted Men's club and purchase alcohol at the post package store.

 

Probably not called the Enlisted Men's club anymore... :(

Lord - you must be REALLY old... LOL! :drool:


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 01:54 PM

ya,

 

I turned 21 about half-way through my enlistment.

 

Another odd thing, I wasn't able to drink or purchase alcohol off-post, but I could drink at the Enlisted Men's club and purchase alcohol at the post package store.

 

Probably not called the Enlisted Men's club anymore... :(

Lord - you must be REALLY old... LOL! :drool:

 

Not that old.  Back in the early '70s, Illinois dropped the age for beer and wine to 18.  I had turned 18 the previous year so I had no problems.  Then they decided this was causing too much trouble and took it back to 21 on 1/1/76.  Again, I was fortunate enough to have turned 21 before that BUT, I got carded more my last 8 months at Carbondale than I had the previous two years !


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 09:52 PM

 

ya,

 

I turned 21 about half-way through my enlistment.

 

Another odd thing, I wasn't able to drink or purchase alcohol off-post, but I could drink at the Enlisted Men's club and purchase alcohol at the post package store.

 

Probably not called the Enlisted Men's club anymore... :(

Lord - you must be REALLY old... LOL! :drool:

 

Not that old.  Back in the early '70s, Illinois dropped the age for beer and wine to 18.  I had turned 18 the previous year so I had no problems.  Then they decided this was causing too much trouble and took it back to 21 on 1/1/76.  Again, I was fortunate enough to have turned 21 before that BUT, I got carded more my last 8 months at Carbondale than I had the previous two years !

 

 

 

 

Uh actually they lowered it to 19 in 1973 for beer an wine then raised it back to 21 in 1980

 

i am that old  :)


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 09:34 AM

I'm so old I wake up with mold on my face - only had 3.2 beer in the EM club!! LOL!


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 12:38 PM

 

ya,

 

I turned 21 about half-way through my enlistment.

 

Another odd thing, I wasn't able to drink or purchase alcohol off-post, but I could drink at the Enlisted Men's club and purchase alcohol at the post package store.

 

Probably not called the Enlisted Men's club anymore... :(

Lord - you must be REALLY old... LOL! :drool:

 

 

It was still the case in the 1980's where you only had to be 18 to drink on base.  Probably sometime around 1986 they changed it that the base would follow the same drinking age laws as the state where it is located.  By then just about all states changed to 21. I think Wisconsin was the last hold out. The feds held up interstate funds until they complied with the 21 law.

 

I retired in 1999, but I THINK, they were called Enlisted Open Mess, NCO Open Mess and Officer's Open Mess officially, at least at AFB at that time.  Membership was completely voluntary, but  "encouraged". 

 

With strict DUI enforcement, I think many have gone greatly underused and have been combined by now or eliminated, but I really don't know.


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 09:46 PM

Open Mess must be an AF term.  But anyway I think they dropped the word "Men's" from the Enlisted Men's Club in the late 80's and it just became the Enlisted Club.  They also changed about 95% of the marching cadences, but Oh Well...

 

It is amazing to me that they'll trust an 18 year old to operate a 60mm mortar, and drive a 63 ton tank, but in the meantime that 18 year old can't purchase a semi-auto rifle.


 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 01:49 PM

I retired in 1999, but I THINK, they were called Enlisted Open Mess, NCO Open Mess and Officer's Open Mess officially, at least at AFB at that time.  Membership was completely voluntary, but  "encouraged". 
 


My entire AF career (1989-present) they’ve been called the “NCO Club” or the “Enlisted Club,” and the “Officer’s Club.”

At most Air Force bases over the last 20 years or so, the enlisted and officer’s clubs have been combining under one roof. They have shared facilities/ballrooms but separate lounges, and are usually called “The ______ Club” (insert the name of your base).
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Posted 27 August 2018 - 07:28 PM

Washington Supreme Court puts gun-regulation measure I-1639 back on November ballot

August 24, 2018 at 5:01 pm
Updated August 24, 2018 at 7:20 pm

OLYMPIA — The Washington state Supreme Court has ruled that the proposed gun-regulations measure, Initiative 1639, will appear on November’s election ballot.
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