The Trib is at it again: anti concealed carry article

[vito]

Today's Chicago Tribune contains a half page column on the editorial page by a Joyce Foundation representative Nina Vinik ("Concealed carry doesn't guarantee our safety; it puts us at greater risk"). The article is a compilation of irrelevant and misleading statistics, twisted to defy common sense, and guilty of what many others have done to try to make gun ownership and carrying the opposite of what it really is. But I have no doubt that the superficial reading of this column by people not particularly focused on gun rights will get them to nod their heads in agreement and reinforce the anti gun attitude so many have in this State. Among the many misleading "facts" the article looks at is the non separation of legal and illegal uses of firearms, lumping homicide by firearm in with the more common suicide, and even trying to argue that the recent case of the women that defended herself at the bus stop is not a validation of the positive nature of legal concealed carry.

 

Maybe those at the Trib were so aghast at the positive column a few days ago about concealed carry that they felt they had to publish something negative.

[GP4L]

Would you expect anything different from a national or local mainstream media outlet?

[Odinson]

Nonsense Nina, nonsense.

 

Nina E. Vinik

January 16, 2019, 3:55 PM

Last week, a 25-year-old woman was standing at a bus stop before dawn in the Fernwood neighborhood on Chicago’s Far South Side when she was approached by a teen who attempted to rob her with a gun. Instead, the woman, a concealed carry permit holder, pulled out her own gun and shot and killed the 19-year-old.

On its face, this story may seem to make the case for the merits of concealed carry as a method of self-protection, especially for people living in high-crime neighborhoods. But the fact is that this scenario is an outlier. It is extremely rare for a legal gun owner to use a gun successfully in self-defense.

A 2015 Harvard study analyzing data from the National Crime Victimization Surveys found that self-defense gun use is rare — victims use guns in less than 1 percent of contact crimes. That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm, according to the Violence Policy Center. This amounts to about 34 criminal homicides for every one justifiable homicide involving a gun.

In recent years, many states have relaxed their concealed carry laws, on the theory that concealed-gun carriers deter crime. But there is no credible evidence that permissive laws prevent or deter crime. In an analysis of states with right-to-carry laws, Stanford researcher John Donohue and colleagues found that states that passed right-to-carry laws experienced 13 to 15 percent higher aggregate violent crime rates, over a period of 10 years, than comparable states.

 

The researchers identified several reasons why permissive concealed carry actually increases violent crime. There is ample evidence of gun owners feeling overconfident about their ability to use guns responsibly, leading to riskier behavior and outcomes ranging from criminal misconduct and gun accidents to lost or stolen guns. Right-to-carry laws also normalize the practice of carrying guns, making it harder for the police to know who is and who is not allowed to possess guns in public.

Examples abound of concealed-gun carriers attempting — and failing — to thwart crimes, often with deadly consequences. Last year in Portland, Ore., Portland State University campus police officers arrived as a “good Samaritan” with a concealed carry permit was trying to break up a fight. The police saw the gun held by the permit holder — a Navy veteran, postal worker and father of three — and in the confusion shot and killed him. In 2016 in Arlington, Texas, a man in a domestic dispute shot at a woman and then tried to drive off. When he was confronted by a permit holder, the shooter slapped the permit holder’s gun out of his hand and then killed him with a shot to the head. In 2014, a permit holder pursued a man who had robbed a phone store in south suburban Crestwood, firing at the fleeing suspect. A police officer pursuing the suspect had to duck for cover, not knowing where the shots were coming from.

Although the Chicago case involved a female concealed carry holder, women are at greater risk when guns are in the home. A 2003 study published in the Annals of Emergency Medicine journal found that women living in a household with a gun are nearly three times more likely to be murdered than women with no gun in the home. In 2015, women were over 50 times more likely to be murdered by a man with a gun than to use it to kill a man in self-defense, according to the Violence Policy Center. Guns in the home also heighten the risk of suicide, and accidental gun injuries and deaths.

With gun-related deaths topping nearly 40,000 in 2017 in the U.S., according to federal data, anyone who is seriously considering carrying a gun for self-protection would do well to consider the evidence.

Nina E. Vinik is the program director for gun violence prevention and justice reform at the Joyce Foundation, a nonpartisan group focused on advancing racial equity and economic mobility in the Great Lakes region.

[soylentgreen]

I don't care what she thinks. The Seventh Court of Appeals ruled that it's Mary Shepard's right to defend herself with a firearm. They struck down the ban on concealed carry in Illinois and gave the legislature a deadline to pass a licensing process...which they did. The courts have spoken. The legislature responded.

 

The legislature can modify the law, but concealed carry can not be outright banned. And, Illinois has the strictest licensing requirements for any shall-issue state.

 

The article offers up anecdotal and fallacious arguments and evidence.She argues that there are "only" one justifiable shooting for every 34 criminal homicides. So her argument is that disarming good citizens and reducing the number of justifiable self-defense shootings to zero is a step in the right direction? How?

[Patriots & Tyrants]

I hate to be a harbinger but as I recall last session first we see a couple of opinion pieces; then as if like magic a bill comes up addressing the imagined problem just the next day or so. Here we go.

[jimk849]

I would not worry much about anything the Tribune has to say. They are becoming less and less significant by the day. I think there is a good chance that the number of concealed carry licenses in this state might outnumber thier circulation on any given day.

[BrowningHP]

The “guns being used in self defense is less common than gun violence” argument is pretty silly, it does need seem to be good reason to not have defensive guns at all

[Colt guy]

I hate to be a harbinger but as I recall last session first we see a couple of opinion pieces; then as if like magic a bill comes up addressing the imagined problem just the next day or so. Here we go.

I agree. Now that JB has been sworn in look for these leading feel bad stories to become more common and the cry for more laws become louder.

[Mr. Fife]

 

That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm, according to the Violence Policy Center. This amounts to about 34 criminal homicides for every one justifiable homicide involving a gun.

Apples and oranges. So, is she saying that we should try to match the number of DGUs to the number of criminal homicides?

[ChicagoRonin70]

The “guns being used in self defense is less common than gun violence” argument is pretty silly, it does need seem to be good reason to not have defensive guns at all

 

. . . is utter nonsense and she's using the completely specious and misleading figure of actual self-defense shootings that result in death to try and make her point. Of course self-defense killings are fewer than criminal uses of firearms, but non-fatal self-defense firearm uses, from defensive displays to non-fatal shootings, which are about 10,000 times as frequent as fatal self-defense firearm usage incidents, outnumber criminal firearm uses, and even all firearm murders, by orders of magnitude.

 

Because non-criminal citizens outnumber criminal citizens, and non-criminal firearm users outnumber criminal firearm users by a similar proportion.

 

The author is a disingenuous, deliberately dishonest idiot who is a disgrace to my former profession of journalism.

[BobPistol]

The leftbune is at it again. More brainwashing.

[Lou]

One thing I’ll never understand is why the Tribune can be so is strongly anti-gun.

Their daily circulation is 448,930.

As of this month there are 2,266,389 FOID cards in Illinois.

 

No wonder they had they had to declare bankruptcy.

[seanc]

 

That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm, according to the Violence Policy Center. This amounts to about 34 criminal homicides for every one justifiable homicide involving a gun.

Apples and oranges. So, is she saying that we should try to match the number of DGUs to the number of criminal homicides?

 

 

That's how I read it. It's not just the DGU, it's justified homicides during a DGU. If you use the same fractured logic and misapplication of statistics, then EVERY DGU needs to end in a dead offender.

 

 

Remember: It's for the children!

[ChicagoRonin70]

 

 

That same year, there were more than 9,000 criminal homicides involving a gun, compared with just 265 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm, according to the Violence Policy Center. This amounts to about 34 criminal homicides for every one justifiable homicide involving a gun.

Apples and oranges. So, is she saying that we should try to match the number of DGUs to the number of criminal homicides?

 

 

That's how I read it. It's not just the DGU, it's justified homicides during a DGU. If you use the same fractured logic and misapplication of statistics, then EVERY DGU needs to end in a dead offender.

 

 

Remember: It's for the children!

 

 

That would reduce the amount of crimes being committed significantly, both by drastically shrinking the offender population and making it starkly apparent to those who might think about taking their place that it's not a profession that has a long life expectancy.

[markthesignguy]

The author is a disingenuous, deliberately dishonest idiot who is a disgrace to my former profession of journalism.

The "author" isn't a journalist, she is an opportunistic parasite that has locked onto the sugar tit of gun control, and will espouse WHATEVER it takes to keep her cushy income.

 

I almost plotzed when I saw that Colleen Daley was sucking down 115,000+ a year from ICHV...

[markthesignguy]

double post, never mind...