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#1 Franko

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 11:47 PM

After the 90 days for prints and 120 without then what recourse do we take? I'm talking about people just stuck in "Under Review"
There are people now that is over 90 with prints and 120 coming up for no printers.

Call ISP. They don't answer. Call your Rep? Some supports CCL some don't.
What's the plan? Some has there permit in hand. I hope they don't forget about all the people who supported, fought and sent witness slips for this fight. I don't want to leave ANYONE behind.. List suggestions for a course of action..
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Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:57 AM

If the ISP has accepted the fee but has failed to reject or approve the application within the time specified in the law, why not assume that we are approved? Carry a print out of the status page and application in place of the card. We've followed the law, it's not our fault that they haven't sent the card or rejected the application with the 90/120 days. It's a risk, but so is being unarmed.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:00 PM

If the ISP has accepted the fee but has failed to reject or approve the application within the time specified in the law, why not assume that we are approved? Carry a print out of the status page and application in place of the card. We've followed the law, it's not our fault that they haven't sent the card or rejected the application with the 90/120 days. It's a risk, but so is being unarmed.

 

Because it's illegal to carry without a license?



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Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

After 120 and the bitching starts, they will find the no print apps from 1/5 that got lost. So about June 5 we'll get a license.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 01:51 PM


If the ISP has accepted the fee but has failed to reject or approve the application within the time specified in the law, why not assume that we are approved? Carry a print out of the status page and application in place of the card. We've followed the law, it's not our fault that they haven't sent the card or rejected the application with the 90/120 days. It's a risk, but so is being unarmed.


 
Because it's illegal to carry without a license?

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 03:09 PM

If the ISP has accepted the fee but has failed to reject or approve the application within the time specified in the law, why not assume that we are approved? Carry a print out of the status page and application in place of the card. We've followed the law, it's not our fault that they haven't sent the card or rejected the application with the 90/120 days. It's a risk, but so is being unarmed.

 

I'd respond to your comment with what's currently rolling around in my mind, but I'd probably be banned.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 04:21 PM

Understood. I wish the law had something like "if the application is not rejected or approved within 90/120 then ...."

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:56 PM

After the 90 days for prints and 120 without then what recourse do we take? I'm talking about people just stuck in "Under Review"
There are people now that is over 90 with prints and 120 coming up for no printers.

 

You wait more.



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Posted 12 April 2014 - 06:09 PM

You shine the Todd signal?  

 

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:50 PM

What recourse do we take?

 

Give the ISP cheerleaders a severe earful, and then get told "don't worry, I'm sure the ISP will come through for you!" by everybody who already has a license, hear that "they're working extra-extra hard, sometimes for a whole entire eight hour shift with a mere two hours for lunch and one more for smoke breaks", everybody yells at everybody else, somebody posts that they sent in their application the day prior and had a license hand-delivered six hours later, somebody else throws a shoe, arrests are made, various individuals threaten to leave and never return to the forum, and in the end everybody keeps waiting.  Circle of life.



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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:21 PM

Is there anyone out there with prints at 68 days now?

Edited by Franko, 12 April 2014 - 10:26 PM.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:31 PM

Send a contribution to Senator Sullivan, Pat Quinn and Mike Madigan's reelection campaigns. If anyone jumps in to run against Randy Frese, better donate to him as well.


Edited by GcDm2010, 12 April 2014 - 10:32 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:34 PM

Send a contribution to Senator Sullivan, Pat Quinn and Mike Madigan's reelection campaigns. If anyone jumps in to run against Randy Frese, better donate to him as well.


I'm not at 68 days, I'm at 98 without. I donate to ammo, not politicians.
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 05:50 AM

Has anyone over 90 days called to confirm that the ISP actually has your fingerprints? I did and found out that the LiveScan vendor never transferred the prints to the ISP. I contacted Red Dot Arms and they review the facts and refunded my money... but now I am a guy that has no prints and a bogus fingerprint number.  I called Joliet, ISP Identification Bureau at 1-815-740-5160 and when the recording started, hit #2. I was speaking to a live person in seconds and she informed me that the ISP has no information from Livescan for me. I hope you have better Luck!



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:08 AM

I've typed out 3 replies to this but deleted them all in fear of being banned but gosh damn my blood is boiling after reading this! Hang in there guys, answers are supposedly coming "soon", whenever the heck that is
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:08 AM

I am at day 98 with prints still under review. I called the BOI on Thursday of last week and my TCN# and prints are good. called ISP they took my info and said they would check into it and call me back. Ya right still no phone call from ISP and still under review at day 98 days.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:13 AM

I am at day 98 with prints still under review. I called the BOI on Thursday of last week and my TCN# and prints are good. called ISP they took my info and said they would check into it and call me back. Ya right still no phone call from ISP and still under review at day 98 days.


Also email and call your Rep
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:41 AM

Thanks Franko I emailed isp last week Monday with no response now I have to call my Rep.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:52 AM

It is obvious things have changed around this topic. Based upon what I am reading, if you don't submit prints, then you can expect to wait 120 days. I think that point has been made.

It has been common place on this site to speak in less than favorable terms about the Federal Government, Ill State legislature, Michael Madigan, Pat Quinn, Rahm, Mark Kirk, Durbin, Holder etc.. Including name calling (Governor Jello, Rahmistan), speculation about motives, conjecture about decisions made, processes followed, etc. Anyone that has been around and read through the threads will understand.

There are plenty of reasons to question, speculate, and comment based upon conjecture, relating to the licensing process. Seeing the disparity in issue times is reason enough. It seems "intent" is mostly in question for those without prints. Clearly, an additional 30 days was granted. An argument could be made that the additional time would be added to issue times for licenses with prints. Not a stretch, as the 90/120, with prints/without prints, time table. Does not seem like that is happening.

I will make my point in question form. Why so defensive of the ISP?

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:05 PM

It is obvious things have changed around this topic. Based upon what I am reading, if you don't submit prints, then you can expect to wait 120 days. I think that point has been made.
It has been common place on this site to speak in less than favorable terms about the Federal Government, Ill State legislature, Michael Madigan, Pat Quinn, Rahm, Mark Kirk, Durbin, Holder etc.. Including name calling (Governor Jello, Rahmistan), speculation about motives, conjecture about decisions made, processes followed, etc. Anyone that has been around and read through the threads will understand.
There are plenty of reasons to question, speculate, and comment based upon conjecture, relating to the licensing process. Seeing the disparity in issue times is reason enough. It seems "intent" is mostly in question for those without prints. Clearly, an additional 30 days was granted. An argument could be made that the additional time would be added to issue times for licenses with prints. Not a stretch, as the 90/120, with prints/without prints, time table. Does not seem like that is happening.
I will make my point in question form. Why so defensive of the ISP?


Agree
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:50 PM

It is obvious things have changed around this topic. Based upon what I am reading, if you don't submit prints, then you can expect to wait 120 days. I think that point has been made.

It has been common place on this site to speak in less than favorable terms about the Federal Government, Ill State legislature, Michael Madigan, Pat Quinn, Rahm, Mark Kirk, Durbin, Holder etc.. Including name calling (Governor Jello, Rahmistan), speculation about motives, conjecture about decisions made, processes followed, etc. Anyone that has been around and read through the threads will understand.

There are plenty of reasons to question, speculate, and comment based upon conjecture, relating to the licensing process. Seeing the disparity in issue times is reason enough. It seems "intent" is mostly in question for those without prints. Clearly, an additional 30 days was granted. An argument could be made that the additional time would be added to issue times for licenses with prints. Not a stretch, as the 90/120, with prints/without prints, time table. Does not seem like that is happening.

I will make my point in question form. Why so defensive of the ISP?

 

Well, yes, if you read the FCCA you'd know that people who submitted without prints can expect to wait 120 days for approval. No surprise there. In fact, many no print apps have been approved in fewer than 120 days.

 

Out of 30,000 active licensees, the ISP may have missed the 90 day deadline a couple of times for people with valid prints, but we really haven't even seen that confirmed.

 

You haven't presented any data on the median time for approval of apps with or without prints, so you can't really speak to the issue of "disparity in issue times".

 

What was your point again?



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:56 PM

Darn, you caught me. It pays to be the smartest rat in the sewer.

Edited by TJSum1, 13 April 2014 - 12:56 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:56 PM

Since today is day 98 for 1/5ers I don't see where anyone can come to the conclusion that it is a 120 day wait. A recent rash of no print apps were approved, making it well over 3 weeks ahead of that 120 day count.

I haven't seen anyone defending the ISP administration nor gov jello. I hope no one is calling out the desk jockeys doing the processing, that would be foolish. They are putting in full days, and doubtful they are taking two hour lunch breaks, nor hourly smoke breaks.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:00 PM

Darn, you caught me. It pays to be the smartest rat in the sewer.

 

Are you saying your post was supposed to have been in purple or admitting that you screwed up - again?



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:06 PM

Darn, you caught me. It pays to be the smartest rat in the sewer.

 
Are you saying your post was supposed to have been in purple or admitting that you screwed up - again?
Do your parents know you are on the computer again?

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

This is the email from ISP my Rep got for me.

"The order in which the CCL applications were submitted is not a true
indicator as to what order they will be completed. The Department of State
Police has the 90/120 days to complete a CCL permit from application. Like
the FOID cards, there are multiple reasons why one application might take
longer than another.

So they don't approve in order received, random? Maybe why some with prints is over 90 and some approved at 30 days? Glad the restaurants I go to doesn't have this policy.
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:55 PM

 

 

Darn, you caught me. It pays to be the smartest rat in the sewer.

 
Are you saying your post was supposed to have been in purple or admitting that you screwed up - again?
Do your parents know you are on the computer again?

 

 

That's your answer to why you don't post any data to back up your baseless, non-stop complaining?



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:16 PM

well Dr Rat I am the proof that the isp has missed a 1/5er with valid prints. I am at day 98 and still under review. Called the BOI last week and my TCN# and prints are good.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:37 PM

Well I looked on the ISP web site just now at 4:30 and went active today. Only 8 days past 90 not too bad



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:48 PM

 Hang in there guys, answers are supposedly coming "soon", whenever the heck that is

 

Soon is an empty excuse in an attempt to placate people, nothing more...


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