DomG Posted December 16, 2018 at 04:38 AM Share Posted December 16, 2018 at 04:38 AM I concede. They may not know what you own at any particular moment.BUT, if it ever gets to forced registration or confiscation, simply having a FOID at any point in your life could result in a visit from the tyrants. Thats the nice thing about owning an unknown (to the government) number of guns.What's really nice is when you finally leave ILLannoy and send that stupid FOID card back to Springfield. 49 other states never heard of a "FOID."When I leave, the ISP will have to come pick up any and all IL permission slips. MA also has a Firearms ID, called a FID. Their system is even more archaic than IL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted December 16, 2018 at 06:43 PM Share Posted December 16, 2018 at 06:43 PM The irony is that Marxism teaches that the proletariat should be armed to make sure the revolution happens. Gun control is against Marxism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted December 16, 2018 at 09:31 PM Share Posted December 16, 2018 at 09:31 PM The irony is that Marxism teaches that the proletariat should be armed to make sure the revolution happens. Gun control is against Marxism.First thing communists do is take the guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted December 17, 2018 at 01:32 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 01:32 AM The irony is that Marxism teaches that the proletariat should be armed to make sure the revolution happens. Gun control is against Marxism.Once Marxism has been achieved, there is no longer a need for the proletariat to have guns. Big Brother will give them everything they need and take care of their security. Just like the Democratic Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted December 17, 2018 at 03:36 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 03:36 AM Three of my handguns were "inherited" with no FFL or ISP involvement. Another handgun that I bought may only be recorded by the store that sold it to me in the mid-70s. This was WAY "pre-NICS" and I don't know if that dealer had to call the ISP or not. Of course, with the FOID, they already know who own the guns, just not necessarily how many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted December 17, 2018 at 07:01 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 07:01 AM Of course, with the FOID, they already know who legally own the guns, just not necessarily how many. Fixed it for ya, I'm willing to bet in IL alone there are 10s of thousands of firearms in the hands of people that don't have FOID cards, some criminally prohibited people others that simply neglected to renew, keep or get a FOID over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted December 17, 2018 at 08:58 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 08:58 AM ... I'm willing to bet in IL alone there are 10s of thousands of firearms in the hands of people that don't have FOID cards, ... It's been commented in the FOID statistics thread that there seem to be a suspiciously low number of FOIDs per capita down-state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted December 17, 2018 at 10:57 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 10:57 AM My father in law is in his mid 80s and has no foid, wouldn't know how to get a foid and doesn't care. Yes he has rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted December 17, 2018 at 11:00 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 11:00 AM I concede. They may not know what you own at any particular moment.BUT, if it ever gets to forced registration or confiscation, simply having a FOID at any point in your life could result in a visit from the tyrants.That’s the nice thing about owning an unknown (to the government) number of guns. What's really nice is when you finally leave ILLannoy and send that stupid FOID card back to Springfield. 49 other states never heard of a "FOID." Talking to some folks in Tenn on the fairgrounds last year with some local deputies. Tried to explain to them what a FOID was. They both looked like I was nuts."Whaaaaaat?" replied one of the officers. A local standing with us said to one of them "I've got my revolver setting on the console of my truck right now."The sheriff laughed and said "I know Bob, I saw it when I was coming in this morning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted December 17, 2018 at 11:37 AM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 11:37 AM Talking to some folks in Tenn on the fairgrounds last year with some local deputies. Tried to explain to them what a FOID was. They both looked like I was nuts. ... It's simply a card that says you aren't a prohibited person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted December 17, 2018 at 03:47 PM Share Posted December 17, 2018 at 03:47 PM Talking to some folks in Tenn on the fairgrounds last year with some local deputies. Tried to explain to them what a FOID was. They both looked like I was nuts....It's simply a card that says you aren't a prohibited person.It's simply an infringement to make it harder for people to exercise their right and to make it easy to take the right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toche Posted December 18, 2018 at 09:55 PM Share Posted December 18, 2018 at 09:55 PM "...People never would have believed they needed to defend themselves against the government..." Words to remember. Sent from my moto x4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted December 19, 2018 at 03:20 AM Share Posted December 19, 2018 at 03:20 AM "...People never would have believed they needed to defend themselves against the government..." Words to remember. Sent from my moto x4 using TapatalkI actually fear government MORE than any one person or group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted December 19, 2018 at 03:27 AM Share Posted December 19, 2018 at 03:27 AM Just for clarification since there is some confusion- The ISP background check is backdoor 2 step registration on all firearms purchased through an FFL. The ISP retains the transaction number of the FTIP (Illinois Firearms Transaction Inquiry Program) background check the FFL initiated. If they want further info on a person they just request copies of all the relevant 4473’s from the FFL’s that initiated the FTIP inquiry. From those they compile a list of all the firearms an individual transferred through a FFL. This can take a few days unless the department’s officers stop by the FFL’s (only relevant if the FFLs are local or other departments assist in an immediately needed inquiry) My understanding from an IOI (Industry Operation Investigator-ATF AGENT) was that the FFL does not need to comply with local police departments, but they will just kick the request up to the ATF, whom the FFL does need to comply with. Not sure if an IL FFL is legally required to comply with an ISP inquiry, but as a practical matter they are. I have seen nothing that this Illinois record keeping is against state law, but I haven’t looked that hard. Federally the Federal background check information is supposed to be destroyed after a set amount of time. This applies to the FBI NICS check. Illinois gets around this by performing their own background check and keeping their own records. I would be interested to see any law making this practice illegal, but haven’t seen any yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted December 19, 2018 at 12:14 PM Share Posted December 19, 2018 at 12:14 PM Talking to some folks in Tenn on the fairgrounds last year with some local deputies. Tried to explain to them what a FOID was. They both looked like I was nuts....It's simply a card that says you aren't a prohibited person. That would be one way to look at it. You are guilty of a crime without it, even if you owned firearms before 1968; that would be another.It is a permission slip to exercise a constitutional right; that would be another way to look at it too. A problem with rights that predate government is that government decides they are best for qualifying and administrating those rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted December 19, 2018 at 10:20 PM Share Posted December 19, 2018 at 10:20 PM Just for clarification since there is some confusion- The ISP background check is backdoor 2 step registration on all firearms purchased through an FFL.The ISP retains the transaction number of the FTIP (Illinois Firearms Transaction Inquiry Program) background check the FFL initiated. If they want further info on a person they just request copies of all the relevant 4473s from the FFLs that initiated the FTIP inquiry.From those they compile a list of all the firearms an individual transferred through a FFL.This can take a few days unless the departments officers stop by the FFLs (only relevant if the FFLs are local or other departments assist in an immediately needed inquiry) My understanding from an IOI (Industry Operation Investigator-ATF AGENT) was that the FFL does not need to comply with local police departments, but they will just kick the request up to the ATF, whom the FFL does need to comply with.Not sure if an IL FFL is legally required to comply with an ISP inquiry, but as a practical matter they are. I have seen nothing that this Illinois record keeping is against state law, but I havent looked that hard. Federally the Federal background check information is supposed to be destroyed after a set amount of time.This applies to the FBI NICS check. Illinois gets around this by performing their own background check and keeping their own records. I would be interested to see any law making this practice illegal, but havent seen any yet. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIIRC, gun dealer licensing bill would make records available to ISP. It is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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