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Myself and I believe most here have fought the good fight to retain our gun rights for years . I got my FOID 46 years ago and have been active ever since.I'm more concerned this year then any time in the past. It will not take much change in Springfield to set in motion drastic changes in our gun laws.What has been the experience of say, New Yorkers, to bans established in their states. What does one do with the parts of their collection subject to such a law. Who would handle moving the 10s of thousands of guns out of the state for owners. I can see it being a logistics nightmare for us.

We would become an antigun Island surrounded by free states. It's hasn't happened yet, and may not, but what has been the results elsewhere in the country when the change has come?

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It's a real risk since Pritzger is likely to defeat Ives now that liberal voters are energized.

 

It also puts both chambers at risk of more anti gunners.

 

New York, New Jersey, California, and Massachusetts are lost causes. There's no political or judicial fight to be had there, not directly. They can only be fought by proxy - national elections, replacing federal judges, winning court cases in other circuits (not the 2nd 4th or 9th) so we can gain judicial momentum rather than losing it by losing over and over again.

 

If Illinois gets a state level AWB or registration or removes handgun preemption I leave the state. House goes on market and as soon as it closes I bounce.

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Ignoring the law works until it doesn't.

The first time you have to use that prized handgun with 10+ rounds in the mag or the SBR, in self defense and/or on your property, and Illinois has gone all NJ with the gun regs, well, it may have been a justified shoot but it will be the last time you see that firearm. Oh, and it may be the first of many times you have to open your checkbook to cover lawyers, fines and judgements.

Illinois is already an island; one that is sinking.

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Myself and I believe most here have fought the good fight to retain our gun rights for years . I got my FOID 46 years ago and have been active ever since.I'm more concerned this year then any time in the past. It will not take much change in Springfield to set in motion drastic changes in our gun laws.What has been the experience of say, New Yorkers, to bans established in their states. What does one do with the parts of their collection subject to such a law. Who would handle moving the 10s of thousands of guns out of the state for owners. I can see it being a logistics nightmare for us.
We would become an antigun Island surrounded by free states. It's hasn't happened yet, and may not, but what has been the results elsewhere in the country when the change has come?

What happens to your collection? One of 4 things:

  1. (The state's desired option) You turn them into the state and loose your investment.
  2. Those who can will move their collection (or themselves) out of state.
  3. Those for whom option 2 is not a viable option can sell them before the law takes affect.

  4. Some will simply ignore the law, keep their collections and hope they don't get caught or become a test case if caught.

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It's a real risk since Pritzger is likely to defeat Ives now that liberal voters are energized.

 

 

If Illinois gets a state level AWB or registration or removes handgun preemption I leave the state. House goes on market and as soon as it closes I bounce.

I will be right behind you. All the B.S. we need to deal with as law abiding citizens and they want to punish us for it. Illinois is already on it's way to h#||, BJ Pritzker will only accelerate it.

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When I still lived in Illinois, back in the bad old days. I too wondered what I would do with my collection if the worst came to pass. My work at the time took me into Iowa quite often so I thought I would rent a storage locker in the quad cities on the other side of the Mississippi and move prohibited pieces into it a piece or two at a time. Things held together long enough for me to retire and I moved the whole shooting match out of state when I left for a gun friendly state. Best move I ever made. Get out while you can still get anything for your homes. Once the credit rating services tank the state bond rating, taxes will go through the roof and property values will tank.

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If I could get out, I would. My problem is I have an "aging parent" (who is also a gun owner) who is determined NOT to leave their house until they have a "toe tag". As the only family member close enough to help should they need it, I'm sort of stuck until they pass.

I would NOT be welcomed in any of those 4 states as I have an AK with 4 - 40 rd. bananas and 2 - 75 rd. drum magazines. I have 8 magazines for my 10/22 - 4 each - 30 and 50 rounders. Wouldn't those places just love me?? :no: :devil:

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If I could get out, I would. My problem is I have an "aging parent" (who is also a gun owner) who is determined NOT to leave their house until they have a "toe tag". As the only family member close enough to help should they need it, I'm sort of stuck until they pass.

I would NOT be welcomed in any of those 4 states as I have an AK with 4 - 40 rd. bananas and 2 - 75 rd. drum magazines. I have 8 magazines for my 10/22 - 4 each - 30 and 50 rounders. Wouldn't those places just love me?? :no: :devil:

 

I love beginners :drool:

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A lot of us seem stuck here in IL. My youngest son, along with his girlfriend and their two kids are barely getting by and rely upon my wife and I for a great deal of support. The financial support could be from anywhere, but taking a kid or both when there is illness or some other emergency would be really tough if we left the area. But my 2nd Amendment rights are very important to me, and should IL do anything that would drastically curtail my rights as I now exercise them, I would have to put the home on the market and move across the border into Wisconsin. Janesville or vicinity is probably still close enough to Rockford to help out my son, and still close enough for visits to my daughters who live within a two hour radius of where I now live. I truly cannot imagine at this point having to give up on concealed carry and that alone would get me to accept the negative consequences financially and move out of Illinois.

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Hidden by mauserme, January 27, 2018 at 03:36 PM - Language

I'm stuck in this shithole because I have a girlfriend and daughter who can't move at the moment and I've got family obligations of my own. Rest assured, we're making plans to GTFO this state. But my mom is in her 70s, living in a big house and needs my help quite often so I'm basically stuck here until she passes away since I do not trust people to help her. LOTS of scam artists and my dad passed away, left my mom the house and didn't tell her a damn thing about the furnace, fireplace, etc. Just left a piece of paper with two sentences. That he wanted cremation and a list of three cemeteries where he would like to be buried (eligible for Rock Island Arsenal as he was a veteran).

 

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If I could get out, I would. My problem is I have an "aging parent" (who is also a gun owner) who is determined NOT to leave their house until they have a "toe tag". As the only family member close enough to help should they need it, I'm sort of stuck until they pass.

I would NOT be welcomed in any of those 4 states as I have an AK with 4 - 40 rd. bananas and 2 - 75 rd. drum magazines. I have 8 magazines for my 10/22 - 4 each - 30 and 50 rounders. Wouldn't those places just love me?? :no: :devil:

 

I love beginners :drool:

 

 

"Beginners"?? How so?

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Vito - good luck to your family.

I'm afraid that "Moby Dick" will get in this fall and I may have to make the choice to leave without said parent. My preference would be southern Wyoming but parent hates the cold with an absolute passion. Alternative would be central to northern Arizona. This would get us high enough to avoid Phoenix's summer extremes yet low enough to avoid Flagstaff's winters. I kind of like the area around Prescott and Jerome and grands used to live in Sedona less than 5 miles from the famed "Red Rock Crossing" on so many placemats.

One of the things I pay attention to is that of "taxes". AZ and WY both do not tax Soc. Sec. income but WY also has (at this time) no INCOME tax. AZ is also higher on sales taxes at 8.32% (#11) vs. 5.26% (#44) in WY (as of 7/1/17).

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Local gummint gonna force me to spend money to straighten out my parking situation of the last 18+ years or become a shut-in.... That much MORE invested in the house, in ILLINOIS?? It may just be my last straw. Rather sell, and move, finding someplace more comfortable, rather than putting in sidewalk, or other parking and driveways...

 

Old sidewalk too narrow for wheelchair and doesn't connect to the parking area, no less that it floods and is too rough to try to cross. Leaves me with about 90 feet of grass, MUD or SNOW to cross to get to the car parking area.

 

Won't allow curb cuts from the front for a side drive.

 

So I got an AWD van that can cross the (frozen or dry) ground and park next to the back door, on the "grass".

They DON'T like that, and have started giving me grief again.

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Local gummint gonna force me to spend money to straighten out my parking situation of the last 18+ years or become a shut-in.... That much MORE invested in the house, in ILLINOIS?? It may just be my last straw. Rather sell, and move, finding someplace more comfortable, rather than putting in sidewalk, or other parking and driveways...

 

Old sidewalk too narrow for wheelchair and doesn't connect to the parking area, no less that it floods and is too rough to try to cross. Leaves me with about 90 feet of grass, MUD or SNOW to cross to get to the car parking area.

 

Won't allow curb cuts from the front for a side drive.

 

So I got an AWD van that can cross the (frozen or dry) ground and park next to the back door, on the "grass".

They DON'T like that, and have started giving me grief again.

What town is that?

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Local gummint gonna force me to spend money to straighten out my parking situation of the last 18+ years or become a shut-in.... That much MORE invested in the house, in ILLINOIS?? It may just be my last straw. Rather sell, and move, finding someplace more comfortable, rather than putting in sidewalk, or other parking and driveways...

 

Old sidewalk too narrow for wheelchair and doesn't connect to the parking area, no less that it floods and is too rough to try to cross. Leaves me with about 90 feet of grass, MUD or SNOW to cross to get to the car parking area.

 

Won't allow curb cuts from the front for a side drive.

 

So I got an AWD van that can cross the (frozen or dry) ground and park next to the back door, on the "grass".

They DON'T like that, and have started giving me grief again.

What town is that?

 

Bensenville.

 

I'm in no position to do battle with Code Enforcement.

 

A few years ago, during an encounter with Code People they (he) asked me

why I bought a place configured like this. I told him I wasn't in

this condition when I bought it, in fact I had just dieted myself

down to 200 pounds, where the walk across the grass to a gravel

parking area was trivial, and carrying in groceries was just tedious.

In 2008 Code Enforcement forced me to pave the gravel.

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