InterestedBystander Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:24 AM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:24 AM (edited) Could not get the board to display image although it shows in Post Preview *dunno* https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1125467760631398401/_BRZSBSu?format=jpg&name=medium"]https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1125467760631398401/_BRZSBSu?format=jpg&name=medium https://sigalelaw.com/sigale-challenges-injustices-of-concealed-carry-application-process/ The Law Firm of David G. Sigale, P.C. is co-counsel in the cause of Michael White, who has for years attempted to obtain an Illinois concealed carry license. His case has repeatedly been referred to the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, where the false presumptions about long-ago alleged occurrences, and the lack of a hearing to be allowed to rebut them, have repeatedly resulted in a wrongful denial of Mr. Whites application. The CCL system thus has not only denied Mr. Whites application up until now, but works to guarantee that he will never be able to meet the artificial standards imposed by the Review Board. The Firm has joined a lawsuit to challenge this unconstitutional denial of Mr. Whites Second Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment due process rights. If you have had problems dealing with the Review Board or the CCL application process in general, please contact the Firm for a consultation. Edited May 8, 2019 at 05:49 AM by InterestedBystander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:28 AM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:28 AM About time. With all of the members here there should be a lot of plaintiffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:29 AM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:29 AM I might be IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:39 AM Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:39 AM I might be IN.Eh? I looked first if I should be IN and did not find any reference to a White/ISRA case. Of course that does not mean there was not one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:55 AM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:55 AM I would like to see the whole application process get challenged not just the CCLRB. There's so many over burdensome requirements and challenges to just apply for a license which makes it so difficult. Let alone just trying to make contact with the ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted May 8, 2019 at 04:41 AM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 04:41 AM I found the complaint.Michael-White-and-ISRA-Complaint4096-1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 8, 2019 at 05:29 AM Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 05:29 AM (edited) I found the complaint.Thanks. Where did you find it i.e. do you have a direct link to a court website? edit: https://sigalelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Michael-White-and-ISRA-Complaint4096-1.pdf Edited May 10, 2019 at 10:24 AM by InterestedBystander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted May 8, 2019 at 06:25 AM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 06:25 AM The entire preponderance of the evidence, threshold being used to deny a right just smacks the 5th and 14th (as well as court precedent) in the face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted May 8, 2019 at 12:31 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 12:31 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 01:54 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 01:54 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!There is the problem. 2nd amendment cases should be heard and decided upon immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:34 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:34 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!There is the problem. 2nd amendment cases should be heard and decided upon immediately. How long did McDonald v Chicago take? Moore v Madigan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:53 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:53 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!There is the problem. 2nd amendment cases should be heard and decided upon immediately. How long did McDonald v Chicago take? Moore v Madigan? I'm not quite sure, but look at some of the other cases. Wilson v Cook County. That has been going on for almost a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:08 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:08 PM I found the complaint.Thanks. Where did you find it i.e. do you have a direct link to a court website? I did a search. https://www.google.com/search?q=michael+white+ISRA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:17 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:17 PM How long did McDonald v Chicago take? Moore v Madigan? I'm not quite sure, but look at some of the other cases. Wilson v Cook County. That has been going on for almost a decade. McDonald v Chicago: Filed in June of 2008, ruled on by SCOTUS in June of 2010; Moore v Madigan: Filed in May of 2011, decided in Dec 2012, with an additional decree in Feb 2013Shepard v Madigan, later combined with Moore, was also filed in 2011. Wilson is another circumstance. It was a state case, but has been refiled as a Federal case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:35 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:35 PM No, Wilson is another case in regards to the second amendment. It's no just another circumstance. My point is that every case that involves the Second amendment should be heard with due diligence and in a timely manner. Not just the cases they decide to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 8, 2019 at 07:17 PM Share Posted May 8, 2019 at 07:17 PM No, Wilson is another case in regards to the second amendment. It's no just another circumstance. My point is that every case that involves the Second amendment should be heard with due diligence and in a timely manner. Not just the cases they decide to hear.What we want does not always line up with what we get. Yes, Wilson is an important second amendment case, and how it got where it is now is a different narrative. Yes, the courts should hear all cases the way we want them heard, and when. "-) And, FYI, Mr Wilson is a member here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted May 9, 2019 at 08:56 PM Share Posted May 9, 2019 at 08:56 PM So in this case, you can be on a “list” and that list does not prohibit you from getting a FOID and legally purchasing a firearm, BUT if you want a permit to legally carry it in public.... No! But you can own a firearm. Makes no sense.Welcome to Illinoisistania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:36 PM Share Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:36 PM David Sigale ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:51 PM Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:51 PM David Sigale ?Yes, the attorney co-counsel who has been on a number of 2A cases...and???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:57 PM Share Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:57 PM I found the complaint. Good grief ! That PDF reads like a laundry list of errors. It is interesting to note that this case involves those licensed thugs in C®ook County and the CPD. No surprise there. The "victim" has been darted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 10, 2019 at 05:46 AM Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 05:46 AM Again, I think I need to eventually contact this David Sigale fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 10, 2019 at 10:21 AM Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 10:21 AM (edited) *delete* Edited May 10, 2019 at 10:23 AM by InterestedBystander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 10, 2019 at 01:04 PM Share Posted May 10, 2019 at 01:04 PM David Sigale ?What about Mr. Sigale? He wins cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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