mikew Posted November 12, 2018 at 04:15 AM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 04:15 AM https://www.wired.com/story/i-bought-used-voting-machines-on-ebay/ In 2016, I bought two voting machines online for less than $100 apiece. I didn't even have to search the dark web. I found them on eBay. Surely, I thought, these machines would have strict guidelines for lifecycle control like other sensitive equipment, like medical devices. I was wrong. I was able to purchase a pair of direct-recording electronic voting machines and have them delivered to my home in just a few days. I did this again just a few months ago. Alarmingly, they are still available to buy online. ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted November 12, 2018 at 05:22 AM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 05:22 AM Yeah, electronic voting machines are way more insecure than color-in-the-dots ballots. That's been known for as long as they've existed. The companies that make them have resisted getting the hardware and software audited to eliminate security vulnerabilities, claiming trade secret protection. In this case, it seems the government unit that previously owned them had no data destruction procedures before disposing of the units, too. They probably hired a contractor to do it, and the contractor just sold them for scrap as they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted November 12, 2018 at 07:04 AM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 07:04 AM Yeah, electronic voting machines are way more insecure than color-in-the-dots ballots. That's been known for as long as they've existed. The companies that make them have resisted getting the hardware and software audited to eliminate security vulnerabilities, claiming trade secret protection. In this case, it seems the government unit that previously owned them had no data destruction procedures before disposing of the units, too. They probably hired a contractor to do it, and the contractor just sold them for scrap as they were.Are they really though ? More insecure than the person at the local polling station losing a box of ballots ? More insecure than those same people not counting them correctly ?I'm not so sure. How about mail in ballots ? Both systems have major flaws and vulnerabilities imo. One isn't any more or less vulnerable than the other.I think its simply a case of we just got used to the vulnerabilities of the one system is all. To the point (the media at least) claims there's no voter fraud ever happening. Its just a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted November 12, 2018 at 07:39 AM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 07:39 AM Paper ballots can be audited. Electronic ballots cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted November 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM A thought the electronic ballot printed out a journal tape that would allow an audit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted November 12, 2018 at 11:55 AM Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 11:55 AM A thought the electronic ballot printed out a journal tape that would allow an audit.The fox audits the hen house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted November 12, 2018 at 04:45 PM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 04:45 PM A thought the electronic ballot printed out a journal tape that would allow an audit. The fox audits the hen house.Sure, but there's a difference between saying something can not be audited and something is unfairly audited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted November 12, 2018 at 08:26 PM Share Posted November 12, 2018 at 08:26 PM A thought the electronic ballot printed out a journal tape that would allow an audit. This, I used an electronic machine this year because I early voted out of district, it printed out a pseudo ballot when I was done, that I verified before I put it into the ballot counting machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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