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[steveTA84]

https://www.thecente...mklrAkbnE_B7kQs

Illinois State Police officials said Thursday that theyve stepped up enforcement efforts in the past year to get guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them after a deadly workplace shooting, but they need more resources to do the job.

The state's top law enforcement official, Illinois State Police Director Brendan Kelly, also called on state lawmakers to pass a controversial bill that would require people who want to get a Firearm Owners Identification card to submit fingerprints. In Illinois, a FOID card is required to legally buy firearms and ammunition. The bill was in response to a 2019 mass shooting.

On Feb. 15, 2019, a man shot and killed five co-workers at a warehouse in Aurora before he was killed by police. Illinois State Police said the shooter, Gary Martin, bought a gun in 2014 with a valid Firearm Owners Identification card. Martin had a prior conviction in another state that made him ineligible to qualify for a FOID card, but he lied about that conviction when he applied to the Illinois State Police for a FOID card. The agency did a background check for Martin in Illinois. Illinois State Police later revoked Martin's FOID card after he submitted fingerprints to speed up the processing of his application for a concealed carry license. Those prints alerted officials to his conviction in Mississippi, ISP officials said at the time.

ISP Director Brendan Kelly said Thursday at a news conference in Springfield that in the wake of the Aurora shooting, state police had stepped up enforcement efforts. Since May 2019, Kelly said law enforcement agencies conducted more than 200 revoked FOID card details across the state.

"Its not easy, but you have to have the people to go out there and [say] hey there sir, you lost your FOID, you were just charged with a felony,' " Kelly said.

He said state police were not going after some old fellow who got his FOID not renewed, or some nice lady who moved to Florida and no longer has Illinois residency and is therefore revoked."

Were focused on the person who had a recent firearms purchase and recently was charged with a nasty violent crime in their jurisdiction, thats who were focused on, Kelly said.

Kelly also called for lawmakers to pass Senate Bill 1966, which would double FOID card fees people pay to apply for the card. It would also require applicants to submit fingerprints.

I think we did a decent job of pushing back here on Kellys comments made today back in January.

https://www.mom-at-a...-pratt-shooting

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They are getting rightfully FLAMED in the comments.

[FST_Kent]

He said state police were not going after some old fellow who got his FOID not renewed, or some nice lady who moved to Florida and no longer has Illinois residency and is therefore revoked."

 

 

I seem to remember them doing otherwise last year and sending somewhat threatening letters to some who had moved out of state.

 

Must have been one of his mother's friends that moved to FL.

[lilguy]

Why doesn’t he hold a press conference and tell Springfield to let law enforcement keep the money we pay in fees for all the gun privileges they allow us?

[TRJ]

Why not find someone who is a victim of violence the state police could have stopped, but didn't because they don't utilize the money allocated to their programs. Make the police negligent, and wrap up the state legislators who sweep the funds in the same wet blanket.

[steveTA84]

Also a reminder of the fingerprint vendor who’s lobbying in favor of SB1966.......

https://ilwd4cr.home...ey-for-cronies/

[Raw Power]

It's almost like there's political coordination here or something. That certainly couldn't be the case.

 

[FST_Kent]

The Aurora Police Chief was on WGN calling for fingerprints.

 

She went on to explain someone could have a FOID, but we don't know if they have no firearms or an arsenal when we enforce a revoked FOID.

 

I get in trouble for using two different words around here, so I'll say it this way:

 

The ISP has included all the FTIP data with FOID revocations in response to the Aurora shooting, so either she doesn't know much about FOID revocation enforcement or she left out some information.

 

Most times they have a pretty good idea what a person has from the FTIP data.  I would argue it is usually the case when someone with no FTIP data, they own no firearms a high percentage of the time.

 

Also, she may be one of the finalists for CPD Chief.

[Nod]

This is what happens when you put a politician in charge of an organization that they have no knowledge about. He's never been a cop but he's a buddy of Porky's.

[FST_Kent]

It's BS the ISP and other agencies are on a campaign to sell the "fix" bill.

 

The ISP made the right policy changes last year.

 

Case closed.

[InterestedBystander]

You want more money and resources, ask for your $30M back. And no, you cant have my fingerprints. Ive never done anything wrong where you need those and dont plan on doing so.

With the recent press, sounds like they are gearing up for SB1966.

Kelly also called for lawmakers to pass Senate Bill 1966, which would double FOID card fees people pay to apply for the card. It would also require applicants to submit fingerprints

https://www.dailyher...more-to-be-done

"There is still much more to be done," state police Director Brendan Kelly said during a news conference in Springfield. "Without additional resources for state and local law enforcement, the chances still remain too high that more tragedies will occur."

Doing more, Kelly said, will require more resources from the state legislature -- namely money to hire more people.

State police also are backing Senate Bill 1966, aka the Fix the FOID Act.

Among other things, it would raise the fee for a FOID card, shorten its expiration from 10 to five years, require background checks for private gun sales and require anyone applying for a FOID card to submit fingerprints.

"Fingerprints catch bad guys," Kelly said

Edited by InterestedBystander, 14 February 2020 - 09:32 AM.

[steveTA84]

^^^

Of course they’re gearing up for SB1966. The gun rights orgs need to start an email/social media blitz. They also gotta focus solely on the money aspect and not the rights aspect (and also Willis’s comments about fingerprinting everyone in the state if it “made us safer”).

[steveTA84]

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[steveTA84]

And so you dont have to click links, lapsed/unused balances from the ISP FSF 2014-2019. Amounts to almost $90,000,000

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[cybermgk]

Um, shouldn't "Were focused on the person who had a recent firearms purchase and recently was charged with a nasty violent crime in their jurisdiction, thats who were focused on, Kelly said."

 

be "Were focused on the person who had a recent firearms purchase and recently was CONVICTED OF a nasty violent crime in their jurisdiction, thats who were focused on, Kelly said.

 

And he said ""It’s not easy, but you have to have the people to go out there and [say] ‘hey there sir, you lost your FOID, you were just charged with a felony,' " Kelly said."

 

Isn't being convicted of a violent crime or felony, not just being charged?

 

And has Willis et al EVER said HOW fingerprinting will make Illinois safer?

Edited by cybermgk, 14 February 2020 - 10:56 AM.

[Dobroguy]

These people are just total fools, over 450 million gun in public hand make me lol...gun control that is impossible to get done...Anyone that wants a gun can get one 

so all these laws and regulation is of no use to anyone...It takes a Indian to know these things....

[ChicagoRonin70]

They are getting rightfully FLAMED in the comments.

 

What comments?

[steveTA84]

They are getting rightfully FLAMED in the comments.

 
What comments?

Check the ISP’s FB post about the press conference

[jim123]

Really, what difference would it have made if they took his foid away 6 years ago when he tried to get a ccl when they first came out and he did it just like all the others do with a stolen gun bought off the street? 

 

Example. 

 

No foid in Florida but oh well!

• Kizer Pontoon, 28, was arrested for the 66th time on Wednesday in Sarasota, Florida 
• '[Pontoon] was most recently featured in October 2019 for failure to appear, possession of a firearm and ammunition by a convicted felon, possession of marijuana, high speed vehicle pursuit while fleeing to elude, and driving while license suspended,' they wrote.
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[InterestedBystander]

They are getting rightfully FLAMED in the comments.

 What comments?

Check the ISP’s FB post about the press conference

Link?

[steveTA84]

https://m.facebook.c...355882644463070

[Str8Shooter]

By her de-funding of the agency responsible for administering the FOID she, if she believes that the Aurora murders would not have happened but for the new funding she now calls for in order to make up for her sweeps, makes her a guilty party to the crime.

 

 

It's just common sense that Rep. Kathleen Willis is in part responsible (by her own faulty logic) for the Feb. 15, 2019 the murder of five co-workers at the warehouse in Aurora.

 

 

She needs to make a public admission and apology for her contribution to the tragedy of that day.

 

 

Raising fees now, or at all, is tantamount to closing the barn door after the horses have escaped.

[InterestedBystander]

https://m.facebook.c...355882644463070

Why oh why is this not public and requires a FB login to view? Cant see squat and I refuse to give FB a mobile phone to create an account. District ISP sites are public and the main one isnt? *smh*

[mab22]

 

https://m.facebook.c...355882644463070

Why oh why is this not public and requires a FB login to view? Cant see squat and I refuse to give FB a mobile phone to create an account. District ISP sites are public and the main one isnt? *smh*

 

It states “The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.” 
maybe they took it down?

[InterestedBystander]

https://m.facebook.c...355882644463070

Why oh why is this not public and requires a FB login to view? Cant see squat and I refuse to give FB a mobile phone to create an account. District ISP sites are public and the main one isnt? *smh*

It states “The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed.” 
maybe they took it down?[/size]

Same results as the last time the ISP posted information in an attempt to inform the public on relevant FOID/CCL info. How hard is it to get right? Why not make it public? Do they not know how?

[RyanC]

I tried link. It just shows an image of JB sore thumb.

[FST_Kent]

By her de-funding of the agency responsible for administering the FOID she, if she believes that the Aurora murders would not have happened but for the new funding she now calls for in order to make up for her sweeps, makes her a guilty party to the crime.

 

 

There haven't been fund sweeps since Rauner signed a bill in 2016.  It's "fund re-investment".  Only 1 legislator between both houses voted no on the bill.

 

Lots of blame to go around on both sides and with the ISP who could have spoken up and kept money in the funds, but did nothing.

[steveTA84]

^^^

Fund sweeps aside, they didn’t use the money given to them for FOID/CCL stuff

[FST_Kent]

Why do you gotta jump in and make a meaningless point after so many of my posts?

 

I said the ISP did nothing.

[Colt guy]

Kelly said that Ptitzker has stabilized the funds so they wont be swept anymore. But they will need more thru the 1966 bill to help other agencies train and carry out revocations. So now the funds will not be sweptt but the need much more money to do the job correctly and help other agencies. i may be mistaken but my taxes fund other agencies already. All this guy was doing is being a politician. No more no less. There were many great questions probing this guy and asking why law abiding citizens have to foot the bill . Seems like most of the folks there were not happy.

Edited by Colt guy, 15 February 2020 - 04:59 PM.