This afternoon, there were 2 new articles that discussed revoked FOID cards and claims there are over 30,600 unaccounted for.
https://www.chicagot...yc64-story.html
https://www.chicagot...rxde-story.html
The one article is about a true tragedy where a man whose FOID card had been revoked attacked his wife and shot his 18month old son multiple times, killing him and then killing himself. I think everyone can agree that this should not have happened. He had been notified several times that his FOID card had been revoked and that he was required to surrender or dispose of any firearms he owned and ignored them. The article puts the blame on the system for failing to follow up on the revocations but law enforcement is basically saying that its overwhelmed by the amount. One thing that I am aware of is that if you move out of state and obtain a drivers license in another state, your FOID card is then revoked and therefore included in that 30,600 number. I reached out to one of the reporters, Anne Sweeney, via email and mentioned that. She responded that they are aware of that reason but when they went to investigate that, it was such a small percentage. IMHO, I would think it would be a more significant number and if addressed, would shrink that 30,600 number significantly but how could that be discovered?
Obviously the slant is anti gun but the majority of gun violence, especially in Chicago involves those that never had a FOID card or used a legally obtained firearm. The majority of Foid holders are law abiding gun owners.
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2 new articles in Chicago Tribune about revoked FOID cards
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 06:13 PM
Channel 7 news just had a segment on this same subject.
ISP wants more money and more personnel, and wants fingerprints of all FOID holders.
The governor, to the surprise of no one, is in favor of this.
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 06:23 PM
Channel 7 news just had a segment on this same subject.
ISP wants more money and more personnel, and wants fingerprints of all FOID holders.
The governor, to the surprise of no one, is in favor of this.
Well, then, those fund sweeps need to be criminalized, and any public official who uses firearm-related funds for anything other than the stated purpose needs to be sanctioned and removed from public office for misuse of resources that put the public at risk.
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 06:27 PM
So they won't ask for swept money back, want the new increased fees and promise now they will go to intended use and fund...what kind of knuckleheads do they have there?
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 06:50 PM
Channel 7 news just had a segment on this same subject.
ISP wants more money and more personnel, and wants fingerprints of all FOID holders.
The governor, to the surprise of no one, is in favor of this.
Well, then, those fund sweeps need to be criminalized, and any public official who uses firearm-related funds for anything other than the stated purpose needs to be sanctioned and removed from public office for misuse of resources that put the public at risk.
On a federal level the term is “misappropriation of funds”.
Void the FOID!
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 07:02 PM
So what happens to people who have a FOID but don’t own any firearms, when they let their FOID expire is the state and local police going to get a search warrant for something they don’t own or have?
I have a relative who has a card but no firearms because they thought they would need it for a paint ball gun, which they did not end up buying. They do not own any firearms. If they let their FOID expire the state and local are going to come knocking, and then there is going to be issues When they say it’s expired and there are no firearms in the house.
” can we look around to verify?”
”no”
”we’ll be back with a warrant”
next thing you know the place is ransacked and no firearms are found, and you, maybe your family have been handcuffed for ‘everyone’s protection’ the whole time....
or just pay up to renew and avoid the hassle?
I think I just realized how scary our legislature is, this is actually frightening!
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 07:21 PM
So what happens to people who have a FOID but don’t own any firearms, when they let their FOID expire is the state and local police going to get a search warrant for something they don’t own or have?
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As stated elsewhere, the ISP knows if you own guns (or at least have owned guns) legally, because they have records that someone looked up your FOID number for a transfer. If it was an FFL who looked it up, the ISP can subpoena the 4473s from them.
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 07:31 PM
What would have prevented the guy from shooting his wife if there had been no FOID? IF he wanted to shoot them, he could have just bought a gun on the street and done it. It happens all the time! Even if the cops did go to his house and taken every gun he had, he still could have done it. Using it as propaganda for the FOID is disingenuous to say the least.
What makes me mad about it all is they demanding more money to shaft us after they stole the money that we paid for the system in the first place. Anyone who says this should automatically asked where did the funds they already got went! Demand a full accounting of that money first.
Our only hope out of this unconstitutional fiasco is through the courts! (Or voting all these folks out of office)
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 09:29 PM
They won't be voted out. Illinois is a Democrats state of denial. D next to any name will blindly get votes. Evan the dead vote for names with Democrat next to them. Ask Madigan.
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Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:14 PM
If the media was actually doing a useful service, they would investigate the number / % of FOID card holders who have actually been charged with violent felonies. It's a simple search to do if you have access to the system.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:37 AM
More political coordination to help get a law passed. JB has his finger on the scales of justice.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 10:48 AM
One thing that I am aware of is that if you move out of state and obtain a drivers license in another state, your FOID card is then revoked and therefore included in that 30,600 number. I reached out to one of the reporters, Anne Sweeney, via email and mentioned that. She responded that they are aware of that reason but when they went to investigate that, it was such a small percentage. IMHO, I would think it would be a more significant number and if addressed, would shrink that 30,600 number significantly but how could that be discovered?
It is a surprisingly small number. It was included the last time there was a spate of these articles. Will try to find it...
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 10:57 AM
Here's the thread.
http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=72082
Even if you don't buy the 4% number, roughly 65% were affiative revocations for domestics or mental health. Best case, 1/2 are passive revocations for things like moving out of state or failure to renew.
http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=72082
Even if you don't buy the 4% number, roughly 65% were affiative revocations for domestics or mental health. Best case, 1/2 are passive revocations for things like moving out of state or failure to renew.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 11:21 AM
Here's the thread.
http://illinoiscarry...showtopic=72082
Even if you don't buy the 4% number, roughly 65% were affiative revocations for domestics or mental health. Best case, 1/2 are passive revocations for things like moving out of state or failure to renew.
Thanks for the link to that thread. Not sure how I missed it before.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 11:34 AM
One thing that I am aware of is that if you move out of state and obtain a drivers license in another state, your FOID card is then revoked and therefore included in that 30,600 number. I reached out to one of the reporters, Anne Sweeney, via email and mentioned that. She responded that they are aware of that reason but when they went to investigate that, it was such a small percentage. IMHO, I would think it would be a more significant number and if addressed, would shrink that 30,600 number significantly but how could that be discovered?
It is a surprisingly small number. It was included the last time there was a spate of these articles. Will try to find it...
I'd imagine its small because it most cases the ISP wouldn't know the person moved, so they wouldn't revoke the FOID. I moved last year and I actually got a (forwarded) letter from the ISP reminding me to renew my FOID before it expires at the end of this month
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 12:39 PM
In theory, getting a new DL out of state triggers it.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 12:45 PM
In theory, getting a new DL out of state triggers it.
While that technically the case, its clearly not an automatic process. I got an Indiana DL almost 6 months ago and my FOID still comes up as valid for a person-to-person transfer on the ISP website (just checked now)
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 03:21 PM
So they take away a foid card(license to own guns) one time. So what? Do they want a box of donuts or something?
Example.
What if they take it away 60 more times? What then?
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 04:55 PM
So what happens to people who have a FOID but don’t own any firearms, when they let their FOID expire is the state and local police going to get a search warrant for something they don’t own or have?
There are people who get a FOID but have no desire nor have every bought a firearm. If one gets into the hobby high power rocketry you need to have a FOID to buy the black powder that is often used for ejection of the recovery system. Your question is a real concern to them.
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 07:03 PM
I am thinking that your foid card being canceled when you move out of state is a old wives tale
I just checked and I got a approval number
I have had a AZ D.L. now for about 2 years or so
I have a number anyone have a gun for sale
I can pick it up in a couple of months 
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 07:34 PM
In theory, getting a new DL out of state triggers it.
While that technically the case, its clearly not an automatic process. I got an Indiana DL almost 6 months ago and my FOID still comes up as valid for a person-to-person transfer on the ISP website (just checked now)
X2; mine was valid for over a year, until it expired. Sent it in to avoid issues at that time
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Posted 14 February 2020 - 08:54 PM
Holding a FOID is considered by Kathleen Willis prima facie a pre-crime requiring fingerprints.
Pre-crime is a term coined by science fiction author Philip K. Dick.
It is increasingly used in academic literature to describe and criticise the tendency in criminal justice systems to focus on crimes not yet committed.
Pre-crime has been defined as "substantive coercive state interventions targeted at non-imminent crimes".Wikipedia
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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:13 PM
Isp is going to be tasked with revoked foid/firearm roundup...local depts dont want to be involved for obvious reasons....
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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:17 PM
I am thinking that your foid card being canceled when you move out of state is a old wives tale
I just checked and I got a approval number
I have had a AZ D.L. now for about 2 years or so
I have a number anyone have a gun for sale
I can pick it up in a couple of months
They tried to force me into an epa/exhaust check on my truck...i had moved south 250miles (dupage county) ...this went on for 2 years...finally sent them current address and info on my new truck and they stopped
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