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Emphases mine ... beware, violent Alaskan miscreants might show up in YOUR neighborhood, carrying GUNS!!! :baby:

 

 

 

News Release

 

Senate May Try to Override

State Concealed Weapons Restrictions

By Amendment To Defense Authorization Bill

For Immediate Release:

07-10-2009

 

Contact Communications:

(202) 898-0792 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

 

Washington, DC - The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is alerting activists across the country that a potential amendment to a Department of Defense authorization bill scheduled for action in the U.S. Senate as early as next week would eviscerate limitations in many U.S. states on who can carry a loaded, hidden handgun in public in their state.

 

“We believe that, at the urging of the extremist gun lobby, some Senators want to adopt Federal legislation that would undercut state law limits on carrying hidden handguns,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign. “This will endanger public safety and make it more difficult for our police officers to do their jobs.”

 

The Brady Action alert emailed yesterday urged activists to call their Senators’ offices to voice their opposition.

 

The bill that may be introduced as an amendment, S. 845, would allow the carrying of loaded, concealed firearms outside a person’s home state, even by persons legally barred from possessing guns in the state where the carrying occurs. It would apply in the 48 states that allow concealed carrying of firearms and would effectively allow the weaker concealed carry laws of one state to nullify the restrictions on gun carrying of other states.

 

Under the proposed legislation, to carry concealed weapons people need only meet the minimum requirements of federal law to possess a gun, be permitted in their home state to carry a concealed weapon, and abide by a state’s concealed carry location restrictions. For example, Alaska allows adult residents to carry a concealed weapon without a license, background check, or training as long as they are allowed to possess a gun under weak Alaska gun laws - even if they have committed repeated violent misdemeanors or have committed misdemeanor sex offenses against minors. This legislation would force the other 47 states that allow concealed carrying to allow many Alaskan violent misdemeanants to carry concealed guns in their state, even if a state completely bans gun possession by such persons.

 

Multiple studies have shown that laws allowing the carrying of concealed firearms have not reduced crime and, if anything, have increased violent crime, including murder and robbery. Numerous examples of crimes and dangerous acts committed by concealed carry licensees are at http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/fact...es-misdeeds.pdf.

 

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Emphases mine ... beware, violent Alaskan miscreants might show up in YOUR neighborhood, carrying GUNS!!! :rolleyes:

 

 

 

News Release

 

Senate May Try to Override

State Concealed Weapons Restrictions

By Amendment To Defense Authorization Bill

For Immediate Release:

07-10-2009

 

Contact Communications:

(202) 898-0792 Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

 

Washington, DC - The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence is alerting activists across the country that a potential amendment to a Department of Defense authorization bill scheduled for action in the U.S. Senate as early as next week would eviscerate limitations in many U.S. states on who can carry a loaded, hidden handgun in public in their state.

 

“We believe that, at the urging of the extremist gun lobby, some Senators want to adopt Federal legislation that would undercut state law limits on carrying hidden handguns,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign. “This will endanger public safety and make it more difficult for our police officers to do their jobs.”

False - More likely require them to do their job properly.

 

The Brady Action alert emailed yesterday urged activists to call their Senators’ offices to voice their opposition.

 

The bill that may be introduced as an amendment, S. 845, would allow the carrying of loaded, concealed firearms outside a person’s home state, even by persons legally barred from possessing guns in the state where the carrying occurs. It would apply in the 48 states that allow concealed carrying of firearms and would effectively allow the weaker concealed carry laws of one state to nullify the restrictions on gun carrying of other states.

Conditional: May apply to minor offenses or those that have a statutory period after which the conviction is irrelevant.

 

Under the proposed legislation, to carry concealed weapons people need only meet the minimum requirements of federal law to possess a gun, be permitted in their home state to carry a concealed weapon, and abide by a state’s concealed carry location restrictions. For example, Alaska allows adult residents to carry a concealed weapon without a license, background check, or training as long as they are allowed to possess a gun under weak Alaska gun laws - even if they have committed repeated violent misdemeanors or have committed misdemeanor sex offenses against minors. This legislation would force the other 47 states that allow concealed carrying to allow many Alaskan violent misdemeanants to carry concealed guns in their state, even if a state completely bans gun possession by such persons.

 

We all know they (Brady) will play with the definitions so parking in a handicap spot will be a violent misdemeanor. Alaska's drivers licenses are recognized in the rest of the states, how many violent DUI's might the "misdemeanant" have?

 

Multiple studies have shown that laws allowing the carrying of concealed firearms have not reduced crime and, if anything, have increased violent crime, including murder and robbery. Numerous examples of crimes and dangerous acts committed by concealed carry licensees are at http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/fact...es-misdeeds.pdf.

 

FALSE: Not supported by any credible facts or studies.

 

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Although I am elated that he is so upset about the "proposed" measure.

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What I am interested in is whether there is a possibility of a national carry reciprocity amendment coming soon.

 

It's certainly a credible prediction. Is there any reason the Brady's would feign such news?

 

So when nothing happens, they can claim it as a commonsense victory and a mandate for their agenda.

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What I am interested in is whether there is a possibility of a national carry reciprocity amendment coming soon.

It's certainly a credible prediction. Is there any reason the Brady's would feign such news?

 

Just adding this info to the thread for anyone passing by... Who knows if it will pass and become the law of the land. If it does... Illinois would remain a carry free zone. After reading the full text I am unclear, but it seems that non-resident permits would not be honored.

 

S. 845:

111th Congress

Introduced April 21, 2009

Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009

 

A bill to amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.

 

S.845 Full Text

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Here is another release, from "CommonDreams dot org" (I have omitted the link purposefully).

 

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

July 13, 2009

1:50 PM

 

CONTACT: National Gun Violence Prevention Groups

 

Peter Hamm, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, 202-898-0792, phamm@bradymail.org or Ladd Everitt, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, 202-701-7171, leveritt@csgv.org

 

 

National Gun Violence Prevention Groups Express Outrage That in Wake of Shootings, US Senate Is Poised to Consider Legislation to Dramatically Weaken State Concealed Handgun Laws

 

WASHINGTON - July 13 - America's major gun violence prevention organizations--Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Freedom States Alliance, Legal Community Against Violence, States United to Prevent Gun Violence, and Violence Policy Center--today issued the following joint statement expressing their outrage that legislation could be considered this week in the U.S. Senate to dramatically weaken state regulations concerning the carrying of concealed handguns in public:

 

"S. 845, the erroneously titled ‘Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009,' would create a national system for the carrying of concealed handguns, commonly referred to as CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) licenses. The bill would allow individuals with state-issued CCW licenses to carry their handguns in any state that issues concealed handgun licenses--today the vast majority of states.

 

"It is an outrage that in a year thus far defined by gun violence--from massacres, to the murder of police, to hate crimes--the U.S. Senate is preparing to consider a bill that would dramatically weaken federal and state gun laws. The practical effect of the legislation would be to reduce concealed carry permit regulations to the lowest common denominator. Currently, many states have weak laws and issue residents permits after only a simple computerized background check.

 

"This year, there have already been three confirmed mass shootings committed by concealed carry permit holders. In April, Richard Poplawski ambushed four Pittsburgh police officers, fatally shooting three and injuring one. In March, CCW holder Michael McLendon killed 11 people, including the wife of a deputy sheriff, before taking his own life following a gun battle with police in Alabama. In February, CCW holder Frank Garcia killed four people in a shooting rampage in upstate New York.

 

"Concealed carry laws do not, as their proponents argue, aid police and enhance public safety. Instead, they threaten law enforcement and arm criminals. States should be acting to repeal these laws instead of Congress moving to expand their deadly reach.

 

"Research by the Violence Policy Center found that from 1996 to 2000, Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the general population of Texas, aged 21 and older.

 

"In 2007, the 'Florida Sun-Sentinel' conducted an exhaustive review of the operation of Florida's concealed carry law--the model for most permissive state concealed handgun laws. The paper found more than 1,400 people who had pleaded guilty or no contest to felony charges yet qualified for concealed carry licenses because of a loophole in the law. In December of last year, authorities in Tennessee reported that 200 hundred state residents who have permits to carry concealed handguns could have their permits revoked or suspended because they have active restraining orders against them.

 

"Under S. 845, people who obtain a CCW permit under such flawed systems would be free to carry their guns in any state that issues concealed carry licenses.

 

"In the midst of an epidemic of gun violence, the American people require serious efforts to reform our weak gun laws, not misguided attempts to appease the powerful gun lobby. The Senate Judiciary Committee should commit today to holding a hearing on real measures to reduce gun violence--like closing the gun show loophole in the Brady background check system, which allows criminals to buy guns from private sellers at gun shows."

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"Research by the Violence Policy Center found that from 1996 to 2000, Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the general population of Texas, aged 21 and older.

 

Is this factoid skewed due to people erroneously arrested for carrying and not eventually charged with anything or are the numbers merely fabricated?

 

I can see it being a matter of direct causation...like 100% of people arrested for carrying a knife were knife carriers...no what I mean?

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"Research by the Violence Policy Center found that from 1996 to 2000, Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the general population of Texas, aged 21 and older.

 

Is this factoid skewed due to people erroneously arrested for carrying and not eventually charged with anything or are the numbers merely fabricated?

 

I can see it being a matter of direct causation...like 100% of people arrested for carrying a knife were knife carriers...no what I mean?

 

I know what you mean. The Brady's are masters of deception.

 

"Households with at least one diabetic resident are 89% more likely to contain insulin."

 

"Families that have swimming pools and children are 60% more likely to lose a child to drowning."

 

Oh my God!

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Draft email ... what do you think?

 

 

 

Dear Peter and Ladd:

 

I read your joint press release on Common Dreams. http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2009/07/13-12

 

I intuitively understand that the likelihood of such an amendment seems reasonable, given the parks carry amendment that was recently placed on the credit card bill and signed by President Obama. But what is your evidence for claiming this reciprocity amendment is imminent?

 

In some ways, I can imagine that such a reciprocity bill might actually be a good and reasonable thing. It's got to be frustrating for those millions of folks who lawfully carry guns to have to keep up with the myriad various rules and regulations, just to stay on the good side of the law. Don't you feel bad for them? I mean, these are the people who take training, pay fees, get licenses ... obviously, they want to follow the law. Otherwise, they'd just carry despite the law like the criminals do. It seems that if law-abiding people have an "individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation", then they have the right to do so without myriad, various, and onerous restrictions. Wouldn't you agree? We are talking about gun owners (carry permit holders) who are licensed, registered, and back-ground checked ... all things that I understood your groups to support!

 

Thanks,

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If you expect a serious answer, I think you're probably wasting your time (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't send it).

 

If actually want to get information - like why they think time is of the essence on this - I'd lose that final big paragraph. It betrays your orientation on this issue.

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So here is the house version ... the one I had recalled earlier. This one would indeed affect Illinois and Wisconsin.

 

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-197

 

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

 

This Act may be cited as the ‘National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009’.

 

SEC. 2. NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS BY NONRESIDENTS.

 

(a.) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

 

‘Sec. 926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents

 

‘(a.) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued by a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) may carry in another State a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (B.).

 

‘(b.)(1) If such other State issues licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may carry a concealed firearm in the State under the same restrictions which apply to the carrying of a concealed firearm by a person to whom the State has issued such a license or permit.

 

‘(2) If such other State does not issue licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may not, in the State, carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a public detention facility, in a courthouse, in a public polling place, at a meeting of a State, county, or municipal governing body, in a school, at a professional or school athletic event not related to firearms, in a portion of an establishment licensed by the State to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, or inside the sterile or passenger area of an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by State law.’.

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So here is the house version ... the one I had recalled earlier. This one would indeed affect Illinois and Wisconsin.

 

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-197

 

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

 

This Act may be cited as the ‘National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009’.

 

SEC. 2. NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS BY NONRESIDENTS.

 

(a.) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

 

‘Sec. 926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents

 

‘(a.) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued by a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) may carry in another State a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (B.).

 

‘(b.)(1) If such other State issues licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may carry a concealed firearm in the State under the same restrictions which apply to the carrying of a concealed firearm by a person to whom the State has issued such a license or permit.

 

‘(2) If such other State does not issue licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may not, in the State, carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a public detention facility, in a courthouse, in a public polling place, at a meeting of a State, county, or municipal governing body, in a school, at a professional or school athletic event not related to firearms, in a portion of an establishment licensed by the State to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, or inside the sterile or passenger area of an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by State law.’.

 

Now that version would force Illinois to issue permits so the can restrict the locations these "foreign" permits would allow. The default carry locations are more lenient than about 1/3 of the carry states. :frantics:

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This article states that Thune's amendment was added yesterday to the National Defense Authorization Act. Anyone know how big the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association is?

 

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Dai...9/071409-01.htm

 

 

July 14, 2009

OOIDA urges members to call lawmakers on concealed carry amendment

 

Truckers hauling high-dollar loads often find themselves targets for thieves looking to make a quick buck by robbing drivers of their possessions, freight and – in some tragic cases – their lives.

 

However, some thieves may think twice before approaching a truck if they know the driver might be armed.

 

This is why the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association sent out a national Call to Action on Tuesday, July 14, to its members, urging them to contact their senators to support an amendment that is being offered by Sen. John Thune, R-SD. Thune’s amendment would allow individuals who have concealed carry permits to carry a firearm in other states that also grant concealed carry permits.

 

Thune’s amendment was one of 35 that was added to the National Defense Authorization Act – or S1390 – which was being debated on the Senate floor on Tuesday.

 

In June, OOIDA President Jim Johnston sent a letter of support to Thune, who introduced S845, the “Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009,” because of its potential benefit to truckers who are in harm’s way daily.

 

“Every day the nationwide shortage of safe and secure truck parking threatens the well being of Americans who make their living behind the wheel of commercial motor vehicles,” Johnston wrote. “Drivers who are forced to park in unsafe, unsecure areas are vulnerable to individuals seeking to do them harm, rob them of their possessions and steal the freight they are hauling.”

 

OOIDA Life Member Tim Begle of Dale, IN, who carries a gun with him when out on the road, said he agrees with Johnston’s statement that Thune’s amendment, if enacted, would go a long way toward helping truckers protect themselves.

 

“As drivers, we go into some pretty unsecure locations in some of the warehousing and industrial areas that aren’t great places for truckers to be in at night, but are great places for crooks waiting to prey on truckers,” Begle told Land Line on July 14. “I have spoken to many drivers who have even been robbed at truck stops.”

 

Just showing his weapon to potential thieves has saved him at least twice, Begle said.

 

“This is an important issue for drivers,” he said. “If a thief knows a driver may be armed, it might be a deterrent for the thief not to take any chances and mess with a driver or his truck.”

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Not seing information about this in the congressional record. I've searched through the amendments by Thune, specifically 1510 introduced yesterday (though I don't see that it was accepted) and I can't find text concerning CCW reciprocity. Can someone let me know if I'm looking in the wrong place.
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Not seing information about this in the congressional record. I've searched through the amendments by Thune, specifically 1510 introduced yesterday (though I don't see that it was accepted) and I can't find text concerning CCW reciprocity. Can someone let me know if I'm looking in the wrong place.

 

I agree. I could not find it, either.

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So my non-resident PA license would allow me to carry in Illinois!?

 

Nope, but a resident of PA with a PA license could. I could be wrong on this bill, but the ones in the past would allow RTC if you were licensed by your home state or allowed by AK and VT.

 

Literally yes you could.

 

Note is states "license or permit which is issued by a State, not "the licensees state" or "state of residence".

 

 

So here is the house version ... the one I had recalled earlier. This one would indeed affect Illinois and Wisconsin.

 

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-197

 

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

 

This Act may be cited as the ‘National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009’.

 

SEC. 2. NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS BY NONRESIDENTS.

 

(a.) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

 

‘Sec. 926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents

 

‘(a.) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof(whatever that entails), a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued by a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) may carry in another State a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (B.).

 

‘(b.)(1) If such other State issues licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may carry a concealed firearm in the State under the same restrictions which apply to the carrying of a concealed firearm by a person to whom the State has issued such a license or permit.

 

‘(2) If such other State does not issue licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, the person may not, in the State, carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a public detention facility, in a courthouse, in a public polling place, at a meeting of a State, county, or municipal governing body, in a school, at a professional or school athletic event not related to firearms, in a portion of an establishment licensed by the State to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, or inside the sterile or passenger area of an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by State law.’.

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From the GOA

 

A vote to protect your right to travel out-of-state with a firearm couldcome to a vote next week -- even as early as Monday!

 

Senators John Thune and David Vitter are the sponsors of S. 845 -- abill that will establish concealed carry reciprocity amongst the several states.

 

Senators Thune and Vitter offered the bill as an amendment (#1618) tothe Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 2647).

 

This provision will use the constitutional authority allowing Congressto enforce "full faith and credit" across the country, so that eachstate respects the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings" ofevery other state (Article IV).

 

The benefit of the Thune/Vitter legislation is that -- unlike other, competing measures -- it would protect the right of any U.S. citizen to carry out of state (regardless of whether he possesses a permit), as long as he is authorized to carry in his home state. This is important because of states like Vermont and Alaska, where residents can carry concealed without prior approval or permission from the state... in other words, without a permit!

 

ACTION: Please urge your Senators to vote YES on the Thune/Vitter concealed carry reciprocity amendment that will be offered to the Department of Defense authorization bill and NO on any modifying amendments. This vote could come as early as Monday, so please act on this right away!

 

So... Vermont or Alaskan ID's for everyone!

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"Research by the Violence Policy Center found that from 1996 to 2000, Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for weapon-related offenses at a rate 81 percent higher than that of the general population of Texas, aged 21 and older.

 

Is this factoid skewed due to people erroneously arrested for carrying and not eventually charged with anything or are the numbers merely fabricated?

 

I can see it being a matter of direct causation...like 100% of people arrested for carrying a knife were knife carriers...no what I mean?

 

Sorry I'm late with this, but, based on THIS LINK, it's obvious their figures are based on arrests, not convictions! (Read it and weep, antis!)

 

CHL Holder Percentage of Total Convictions......0.2612%
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