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#1 ShaunLashley

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 09:52 AM

So after a long battle I was granted my CCL. Purchased my first firearm through Buds. Once I get to my FFL filled out paperwork, and my background check was delayed 4/6/2019(Saturday). Does anyone know how long these delays take ? Was really looking forward to get some shooting in this weekend and sign up for a few tactical fire classes !

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 09:56 AM

Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem.

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 11:03 AM

Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem.


Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 11:22 AM

Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem.

Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.

Try changing your name?
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 11:29 AM

Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.


Delays because of name/address can be avoided by providing your SSN to disambiguate yourself.
So what's worth more to you? (And some FFLs won't enter the SSN into the system, anyway, even if you provide it.)

The FFLs that I have used have said delays went up after Parkland, although I haven't seen much delay, myself.
So I guess it can vary.
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 11:37 AM

Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.

Delays because of name/address can be avoided by providing your SSN to disambiguate yourself.So what's worth more to you? (And some FFLs won't enter the SSN into the system, anyway, even if you provide it.)The FFLs that I have used have said delays went up after Parkland, although I haven't seen much delay, myself.So I guess it can vary.

Exactly what my FFL said. Would have no problem providing SS# if it eases the process. Seems like the bad guys can get guns faster than the good guys with all the BS Illinois has us doing

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 12:37 PM

I think delays can also be caused by a potential Soundex match, which to my knowledge is what ISP uses during the process.

https://en.m.wikiped...rg/wiki/Soundex

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 01:08 PM

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 01:20 PM

Is there anyway to prevent this ? So many of my hurdles have been mainily because of my name.

Delays because of name/address can be avoided by providing your SSN to disambiguate yourself.So what's worth more to you? (And some FFLs won't enter the SSN into the system, anyway, even if you provide it.)The FFLs that I have used have said delays went up after Parkland, although I haven't seen much delay, myself.So I guess it can vary.

I’ve heard of delays even with ssn.

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 04:14 PM

Last time my Dad bought a pistol, he was told the state police site was down and they could not do the back ground check and that the 3 day waiting period would NOT start until he had cleared the background. Waited almost 2 weeks to get it all done.



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Posted 06 April 2019 - 08:13 PM

Delays aren’t unusual for me. They’ve always been approved by the end of the required 3 day waiting period, so it hasn’t been a problem.

same for me,a buddy and myself both purchased identical firearms from the same place at the same time,he was instantly approved and as usual i was delayed but was approved before the 72 hour waiting period.



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Posted 06 April 2019 - 09:24 PM

Was it NICS or ISP that was causing the delay?

News a month or so ago said ISP was short a few hundred staff, and then after Peoria the were under scrutiny.

They seem to be way backed up.
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:20 AM

Was it NICS or ISP that was causing the delay?News a month or so ago said ISP was short a few hundred staff, and then after Peoria the were under scrutiny.They seem to be way backed up.


NICS. The legal process is getting so ridiculous. Just jumped through a million loops to get my CCL (background checks, fingerprints etc ) now yet another background check and delay lol. Illinois is a joke

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 09:23 AM

Would a person using your identity or SS number cause any chaos on NICS checks?
Void the FOID!

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:23 PM

Was it NICS or ISP that was causing the delay?News a month or so ago said ISP was short a few hundred staff, and then after Peoria the were under scrutiny.They seem to be way backed up.


NICS. The legal process is getting so ridiculous. Just jumped through a million loops to get my CCL (background checks, fingerprints etc ) now yet another background check and delay lol. Illinois is a joke
Its not just IL. Google nics delay and you’ll see its not just here

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 01:26 PM

Would a person using your identity or SS number cause any chaos on NICS checks?

Depending on what they get caught doing they could make you a banned person.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 03:31 PM

I think delays can also be caused by a potential Soundex match, which to my knowledge is what ISP uses during the process.

https://en.m.wikiped...rg/wiki/Soundex

 

Took my renewal class yesterday and instructor said the same thing.



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Posted 08 April 2019 - 06:22 PM

How could you tell it was NICS? Illinois runs its own background check system FTIP, end users usually have no information on where the delay in the system is. Also unless the system has changed recently, your SS number is not submitted with an FTIP check. So it would make no difference. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Posted 09 April 2019 - 06:10 AM

I've got a very common name (for felons, apparently) so I'm always delayed. I don't bother providing my SSN. If it can't be figured out that I'm not a guy in Tomah, Wisconsin, who is 20 years older than I am, then they have a problem. Usually only a few hours but I haven't bought anything in a couple years (yeah I know, get on it). I did have one where I was delayed close to 72 hours but that was when FTIP was all jacked up (when isn't it?). Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 09 April 2019 - 06:28 AM

You're not fooling anyone, there's no skinny people in Wisconsin!
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Posted 09 April 2019 - 06:59 AM

You're not fooling anyone, there's no skinny people in Wisconsin!

Hahaha we get a block of cheese and a shotgun at birth. There's a guy with my exact first name, middle initial, last, who's a serial felon. Addresses, DOB, nothing else matches up. Ran my name through the WI court records database and this guy is a winner.

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Posted 09 April 2019 - 09:00 AM

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Posted 10 April 2019 - 05:50 AM

For me the mandatory waiting period is always a joke anyway; most of the time it takes far longer for the background check to come back then the waiting period by far. Always comes back ok eventually but it takes forever. My FFL is a patrol sergeant and he says there is really nothing you can do. He doesn't recommend using your SS card as it gets filled out on the form but not entered in the database anyways. So once on the form there it stays. Probably not a good idea for identity sake.


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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:37 PM

So on this same topic.  Back on 10/05 I went to my FFL and bought a new deer gun, nothing fancy just a lever action.  Anyway fast forward to today and I am still waiting for my background check to go through.  Every time I call to check I get the same answer, it's delayed.  Is this the new normal, or a one off situation?  The last gun I bought about 6 months ago I had no issues, I waited the 3 days and picked it up without delay.  I have an uncommon last name, I also have my CCL and a C&R license from the Feds.  I know I didn't do anything wrong, but I can't figure out where the hiccup is and who to call.



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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:51 PM

So on this same topic.  Back on 10/05 I went to my FFL and bought a new deer gun, nothing fancy just a lever action.  Anyway fast forward to today and I am still waiting for my background check to go through.  Every time I call to check I get the same answer, it's delayed.  Is this the new normal, or a one off situation?  The last gun I bought about 6 months ago I had no issues, I waited the 3 days and picked it up without delay.  I have an uncommon last name, I also have my CCL and a C&R license from the Feds.  I know I didn't do anything wrong, but I can't figure out where the hiccup is and who to call.

 

I'm going to say one off, uncommon name or not something tossed up a flag.  I bought an AR lower last week, the proceed came through on the stores computer instantly, picked up 3 days later.

 

If the NICs system is still holding at 'delayed' and it's been 72 hours there is nothing stopping the FFL from completing the sale and handing the firearm over to you, albeit many won't complete the sale, so you might be forced to appeal to get NICs butt in gear.

 

A "Delayed" message from the NICS indicates the subject of a NICS background check has been matched with a similar name and similar descriptive information associated with a record containing a potential state or federal firearm prohibition. The NICS Section must obtain additional information before making a final determination of a Proceed or Denied for the firearm transfer. The NICS Section is afforded three business days in which to conduct this research. If the NICS Section is unable to provide either a Proceed or Denied response to the Federal Firearms Licensee within three business days, the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 does not prohibit the Federal Firearms Licensee, or FFL, from transferring the firearm; however, the FFL is not required to do so.

 

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 03:07 PM

My ffl has always made himself available to answer any pertinent questions I might have,normally via text.the waiting is the hardest,especially for your ccl and first handgun.I have not had a problem with a extended wait,but now days,after multiple purchases,I don't really concern myself to much,he contacts me and I go get it.

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 05:38 PM

If the NICs system is still holding at 'delayed' and it's been 72 hours there is nothing stopping the FFL from completing the sale and handing the firearm over to you, albeit many won't complete the sale, so you might be forced to appeal to get NICs butt in gear.

 
IL doesn't use the NICS system.
Per the ISP interpretation...

...What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he comes into pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP?

The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approval....

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 06:01 PM

If the NICs system is still holding at 'delayed' and it's been 72 hours there is nothing stopping the FFL from completing the sale and handing the firearm over to you, albeit many won't complete the sale, so you might be forced to appeal to get NICs butt in gear.

 
IL doesn't use the NICS system.
Per the ISP interpretation...
...What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he comes into pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP?
The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approval....

So state law/approval is overriding federal law/approval?
Void the FOID!

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 06:42 PM

Illinois is not over riding anything. States are free to do a back ground check however they want. It all goes back years ago before federal instant back ground checks were in use to the Brady Bill and initially included a federal 5 day waiting period. Many states have moved to just using NICS, but they are not required to. People get this confused all the time, state vs Federal. An FFL is required to do a back ground check before transferring a firearm, that is all. Nothing says how they have to do it. Some states allow a concealed carry permit holder to bypass the check, as they have already passed one if their permit is currently valid. Show your permit, fill out paper work and leave with your new firearm. The permit info is filled out in place of a back ground check. They do have to get ATF approval before allowing carry permits to substitute for a back ground check. Also only the Feds have a law saying back ground checks must be purged after a certain time frame (although if they do so is questionable). Illinois does not have that destruction requirement. The Feds have a 72hr time frame on returning back ground checks, other wise the transfer can proceed. This was included to keep delayed back ground checks from being used to deprive citizens from transferring a fire arm. The ISP interpretation of delayed back ground checks has already been posted. Extra credit for any one who actually looks up the law regarding back ground checks. It has been a few years since I did, and I don’t have time right now. Unless it has changed recently or my reading was incorrect It might be worthy of its own thread. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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