Tip Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:33 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:33 PM Good DGU shoot. It's hard to watch knowing that innocent people got murdered, but that's the way of the world sometimes. MDA will adjust their messaging once they get word from their overlord on this. It will be something like "all people deserve to be safe and free from guns". They live in a bubble and think that the world is as they imagine it. It's not. And the answer to them should be: “Agreed, all people deserve to be safe, but your laws failed, innocent people died, our laws worked, legally armed citizens prevented more innocent people from dying. Your laws, disarming lawful citizens would have likely resulted in many more deaths and serious injuries among the innocent.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF1984 Posted December 30, 2019 at 05:04 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 05:04 PM Visiting my dad this morning and he had CNN on. As he puts it, "to see what the other side is up to". Caught their story about the Texas church and it blew my mind. The CNN reporter on location credited specifically the armed church goers. She even went so far as to say it was over in a mere 6 seconds solely because of the armed attendees taking immediate action. Way more than I expected from that news source. Of course, no mention of the "blood in the streets" fear-rhetoric when they first passed the church carry thing. But then again, it is CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 30, 2019 at 05:50 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 05:50 PM The wolf attacked the flock and the sheepdogs did their jobs. It appeared to me that the sheepdogs had some sort ot training, 2 hands on gun, fairly good muzzle control, armed member near the entrance during service, and no unnecessary shots fired. I suspect a church security team.Watts is very upset about the good guys stopping it https://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/shannon-watts-responds-to-armed-heroes-who-stopped-engaged-texas-church-shooterWent viral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumpnpump Posted December 30, 2019 at 05:59 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 05:59 PM Quid quo pro Joe Biden says, Whenever I shoot up a church, I "buy a shotgun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator4838 Posted December 30, 2019 at 08:42 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 08:42 PM Reported parishioner took head shot with a p229 357 sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxdpntc Posted December 30, 2019 at 08:49 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 08:49 PM Jack Wilson, the security volunteer who quickly shot the Texas church shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ, stopping him and likely saving many lives, is a former reserve deputy sheriff who was the long-time owner of a firearms training academy. jack-wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted December 30, 2019 at 11:57 PM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 11:57 PM Another link: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9N4df_1577655564 First shot is to the guy who is reacting for about 3.17 seconds and drawing from his rear back area 0.27 seconds, second person away from attacker. About a 3.44 total draw before he is shot. Counting the reaction as from when he first starts to stand. Second shot occurs 1.18 seconds later, hits guy closest to shooter. Couldn't tell if he presented a gun or just put his hands in front of himself before getting shot. Third shot occurs 1.04 seconds later, from Jack Wilson, top left of the video, he had been reacting for a while...couldn't really see behind the logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 31, 2019 at 12:33 AM Share Posted December 31, 2019 at 12:33 AM Antis are attacking the hero and saying that legally carried guns in church pits people at risk. Theyre attacking anyone who praises him. Want to know why? See pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted December 31, 2019 at 04:29 AM Share Posted December 31, 2019 at 04:29 AM People don't understand comparative risks very well. This proves that whatever risk presented by the presence of the armed parishioners,was FAR outweighed by the risk of an armed murderer killing indiscriminately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted December 31, 2019 at 06:15 PM Share Posted December 31, 2019 at 06:15 PM Reported parishioner took head shot with a p229 357 sig.With a military type, high capacity assault weapon. (libs definition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted December 31, 2019 at 09:45 PM Share Posted December 31, 2019 at 09:45 PM Apparently the shooter was a known person of interest that they were keeping an eye on. So I have to wonder why they gave the shooter as much freedom of movement. When a similar character was stalking our church over a holiday period, security team members would keep the guy flanked wherever he moved. If he took a seat, there was an armed CPD officer behind him, and one across the aisle. Their plan was to muscle him to the ground if he made a move (while being discrete and not alarming the congregation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted December 31, 2019 at 10:57 PM Share Posted December 31, 2019 at 10:57 PM There is a very good interview of Jack Wilson, the guy who took out the killer at the church. It is a 15 minute interview with him by Dallas Channel 5. Here is a link to it Click Here To Watch The Interview Well there seems to be something wrong with my link. I got to the interview from www.churchsecurityalliance.com If you go down toward the bottom of the page. You'll find a post with a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted January 1, 2020 at 02:26 PM Share Posted January 1, 2020 at 02:26 PM Jack Wilson, the security volunteer who quickly shot the Texas church shooter at West Freeway Church of Christ, stopping him and likely saving many lives, is a former reserve deputy sheriff who was the long-time owner of a firearms training academy. jack-wilson Anyone else here watch that 15 minute interview with NBC channel 5 in Dallas? They also did a 25 minute interview with him as well which I've not been able to find and view. There was something said about Jack Wilson, the security guy who took out the killer, being former FBI. I read that he had been a reserve police officer but nothing about any FBI connection. Sorry that the link in the last post didn't work. There is a link in a post at www.churchsecurityalliance.com I find it interesting that the deacon killed, Tony Wallace, in the White Settlement Texas church was black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm22 Posted January 1, 2020 at 07:25 PM Share Posted January 1, 2020 at 07:25 PM I read the White Settlement name was given by the area natives when the first white settlers came in. There was a referendum to change the town name several years ago but was soundly defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandbur Posted January 1, 2020 at 09:36 PM Share Posted January 1, 2020 at 09:36 PM Is there any way to get a copy of one of these videos. Our church security team would like to view and discuss it for training purposes. We're afraid that it may disappear before our next meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted January 2, 2020 at 01:54 PM Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 01:54 PM Is there any way to get a copy of one of these videos. Our church security team would like to view and discuss it for training purposes. We're afraid that it may disappear before our next meeting. That is a good idea.. My church security team could benefit from having a copy of the video as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted January 2, 2020 at 07:39 PM Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 07:39 PM Used the iOS built-in screen recorder to capture this while playing one of the links. Edit:35 MB file exceeds upload limits of 15MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted January 2, 2020 at 07:58 PM Share Posted January 2, 2020 at 07:58 PM https://youtu.be/JGslzXxDhEU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F12Mahon Posted January 3, 2020 at 12:32 AM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 12:32 AM Is there any way to get a copy of one of these videos. Our church security team would like to view and discuss it for training purposes. We're afraid that it may disappear before our next meeting. That is a good idea.. My church security team could benefit from having a copy of the video as well. If you use Firefox, you can use a youitube downloader addon. Eugene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted January 3, 2020 at 04:59 PM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 04:59 PM https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1212854821100802048?s=09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted January 3, 2020 at 07:25 PM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 07:25 PM Is there any way to get a copy of one of these videos. Our church security team would like to view and discuss it for training purposes. We're afraid that it may disappear before our next meeting.I came across a youtube video by John with Active Self Protection. If you search youtube with NO POLITICS ANALYSIS WHITE SETTLEMENT MURDERS you will find it. He gives some closeup video of the incident and comments on tactics and procedures. This video was put out on sunday when the incident happened, so John didn't even know the name of the hero, Jack Wilson. It just occured to me did this incident qualify as a mass shooting only 2 people died, if you don't count the murderer. 3 killed counts as a mass shooting I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted January 3, 2020 at 10:06 PM Share Posted January 3, 2020 at 10:06 PM The FBI definition is 4 shot for a mass shooting, 4 killed for a mass murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted January 4, 2020 at 01:55 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 01:55 PM The FBI definition is 4 shot for a mass shooting, 4 killed for a mass murder. It was a good thing that Jack Wilson was there and stopped this from becoming a mass murder event. John with Active Self Protection estimates he was 12 to 15 yards from the killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted January 4, 2020 at 02:39 PM Share Posted January 4, 2020 at 02:39 PM https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1212854821100802048?s=09For some reason my computer will not play twitter videos. Is there a trick to get it to play??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 5, 2020 at 12:11 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 12:11 AM Has anyone seen any info on the perp or the motive. It just seems like this story died very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 5, 2020 at 12:25 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 12:25 AM Has anyone seen any info on the perp or the motive. It just seems like this story died very quickly. He's dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted January 5, 2020 at 01:10 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 01:10 AM Has anyone seen any info on the perp or the motive. It just seems like this story died very quickly. Saw one news report something to the effect that the pastor said the perp was irritated that they offered to give him food but wouldn’t give him any cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted January 5, 2020 at 01:18 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 01:18 AM Has anyone seen any info on the perp or the motive. It just seems like this story died very quickly.Of course the story dies VERY quickly - it is HIGHLY inconvenient to the national media's objectives to support the Democrat party. He was a nutcase that had a long history of both disturbance and violence. You can find it with a bit of googling, starting with wikipedia, going to heavy.com and nbcdfw.com I ONLY mention his name as the key to getting TO the minuscule coverage that IS out there. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/us/texas-shooting-keith-thomas-kinnunen-profile/index.html Keith Thomas Kinnunen, of River Oaks, Texas, had ties to the Fort Worth area, but also lived in several states and has been homeless at times, records show. He has a lengthy criminal record that includes arrests and convictions in several states. According to officials, Kinnunen had ties to the church and had been there before, but he was not well known by churchgoers. A motive for the shooting has not been made public.“The apparently homeless gunman who killed two worshipers Sunday had been helped with food on several occasions by the West Freeway church, but he became angry when they wouldn’t give him money, minister Britt Farmer told me. He wasn’t recognized Sunday because he wore disguises,” Bobby Ross Jr., the editor of The Christian Chronicle, tweeted.Kinnunen’s sister, Amy Kinnunen, said Sunday was the 10th anniversary of the death of their brother by suicide, according to ABC News. She told the news network she believes Kinnunen was on his own suicide mission.Church leaders said they did not recognize Kinnunen on Sunday morning because he was in disguise, confirmed the son of the church's senior minister. In fact, many lifelong church members said they immediately noticed the strange man because it appeared he was wearing a large, fake beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 5, 2020 at 01:57 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 01:57 AM The story died because it isn't very interesting. It's now in the hands of local TV stations and newspapers for as long as it sells... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmallie Posted January 5, 2020 at 03:51 AM Share Posted January 5, 2020 at 03:51 AM Another link: https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/man-tries-to-rob-restaurant-gets-shot-by-employee-almost-no-media-coverage/ (Texas story is the second half) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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