mikelogan Posted March 1, 2018 at 06:59 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 06:59 PM Sigh. None of you get it, do you? Can none of you see a negotiating tactic for what it is? He’s done this over and over and over again: take an extreme position, force the other side to one-up you on the crazy, and then use it against them. I’m shocked nobody has figured this out yet. This is why I get extremely annoyed with a lot of gun owners because they wet their pants every time something APPEARS to go wrong without even considering the underlying circumstances. They’re their own worst enemies.I don't understand how Trump taking the other side's extreme position fits into this rubric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted March 1, 2018 at 07:28 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 07:28 PM It would be reelection suicide to REALLY take their stance (Feinstein et al). Having been convicted of Domestic Violence will already get you a failed NICS background check. Why would it be needed to be added to a bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted March 1, 2018 at 07:52 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 07:52 PM It would be reelection suicide to REALLY take their stance (Feinstein et al). Having been convicted of Domestic Violence will already get you a failed NICS background check. Why would it be needed to be added to a bill.I’ve never been convicted of domestic violence or even arrested for that matter. But it turns out my ex and my mom both made reports against me and that was enough for them to put me under board review. No due process whatsoever. I wasn’t even contacted by the CPD, or informed by anyone for that matter. In theory, anyone could call the cops on someone they don’t like and make a false report, that could in turn cause them much trouble just obtaining their CCW. Scary to think what would happen if these bills pass. So much abuse of power and complete neglect for due process and the Constitution, but they still get away with it. It’s clear the silent majority is fed up, but we’re being drowned out by screeching antis and socialist, plus the overwhelming amount of illegals, that our voice simply doesn’t matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted March 1, 2018 at 08:00 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 08:00 PM Been contemplating Trump's actions and statements from yesterday. I come up with these possibilities. 1. He was never really pro 2A.2. He is completely following emotions3. He WAY OVERSTIMATES SOCIAL MEDIA as American's sentiment.4. He is trying to get the Dems to show their tru colors with complete gun grab BS5. He is trying to make sure nothing gets done at all (by trying to make them make one comprehensive bill that will never pass).6. Trying to look the good guy, bizarrely to his non base, knowing Republicans will not pass most of this.7. Trying to get the Republicans to remember THEIR pro 2a stance, by firing them up.8. He really is unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
04 Cobra Posted March 1, 2018 at 08:06 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 08:06 PM Been contemplating Trump's actions and statements from yesterday. I come up with these possibilities. 1. He was never really pro 2A.2. He is completely following emotions3. He WAY OVERSTIMATES SOCIAL MEDIA as American's sentiment.4. He is trying to get the Dems to show their tru colors with complete gun grab BS5. He is trying to make sure nothing gets done at all (by trying to make them make one comprehensive bill that will never pass).6. Trying to look the good guy, bizarrely to his non base, knowing Republicans will not pass most of this.7. Trying to get the Republicans to remember THEIR pro 2a stance, by firing them up.8. He really is unstable.#8 sure would explain alot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted March 1, 2018 at 08:31 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 08:31 PM Been contemplating Trump's actions and statements from yesterday. I come up with these possibilities. 1. He was never really pro 2A.2. He is completely following emotions3. He WAY OVERSTIMATES SOCIAL MEDIA as American's sentiment.4. He is trying to get the Dems to show their tru colors with complete gun grab BS5. He is trying to make sure nothing gets done at all (by trying to make them make one comprehensive bill that will never pass).6. Trying to look the good guy, bizarrely to his non base, knowing Republicans will not pass most of this.7. Trying to get the Republicans to remember THEIR pro 2a stance, by firing them up.8. He really is unstable.#8 sure would explain alot.... It would, as much as I'd hate to say it's true. But I think he sees too much of social Media as input and MAY possibly take that as the sentiment of the larger population (wrongfully so), coupled with recent meetings with families, to get the emotions going could be all it is. I've used the official WH contact to voice my concerns that he will lose his base if he is seen as Gun Grabber Trump, which is happening after yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted March 1, 2018 at 11:53 PM Share Posted March 1, 2018 at 11:53 PM Two years ago when I was telling people we should be voting for Gary Johnson, everyone was saying "but his VP is an anti". Two years ago, when I was telling people that Trump wrote in one of his books that he supported AWB, people said "that was before". Trump is not our friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayEm Posted March 2, 2018 at 12:11 AM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 12:11 AM I'm not sure where he's going with this. Really hope he's not throwing us under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted March 2, 2018 at 02:16 AM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 02:16 AM I've said it since I joined, he's a New York liberal LARPing as a tea partier/alt right. Look at who's in his cabinet. Anti Trumpers love to claim the Soros connection in everything anti right but totally ignore who his treasury secretary is (Soros's buddy and old business partner). Or why did his Obama era FCC chair received an NRA award after the media monopolies he's approving just ran roughshod all over our second ammendment. Time to wake up. My guess is he doesn't think he can pull off a win in the next election so he wants to make sure his legacy as president goes down as a bipartisan dealmaker. His entire inner circle that helped him win is all gone. All that's left is his New York Democrat buddies who often flip parties when it's convenient (like Bloomberg, another close Trump friend). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmurph44 Posted March 2, 2018 at 03:58 AM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 03:58 AM Trump met with the NRA today, I’d love to know how that went, they should have asked for their 30 million back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted March 2, 2018 at 05:58 AM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 05:58 AM Hey! Would you all be happier with Hillary in the Oval Office? We'll get a slew of judges and justices appointed by President Trump and if that's ALL he gets done I will be happy with that. Not really, but look where we could be folks and where we are. And it's still early in his first term. Be patient. And I agree with Mauser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbrooks Posted March 2, 2018 at 06:54 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 06:54 PM No time for being patient. He isn't a real conservative and is a disappointment regardless. Nothing from his presidency will benefit us. Just wait and see. I promise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Percussion Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:30 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:30 PM No time for being patient. He isn't a real conservative and is a disappointment regardless. Nothing from his presidency will benefit us. Just wait and see. I promise you.Neil Gorsuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:36 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:36 PM If he truly is Anti gun, then lets hope it gets Gun owners and republicans fired up to vote in nov, or places like Penn right now. We need to ensure we control the House and Senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:48 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:48 PM No time for being patient. He isn't a real conservative and is a disappointment regardless. Nothing from his presidency will benefit us. Just wait and see. I promise you. Neil Gorsuch.Who's he going to appoint next if the house and/or senate flip in 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayEm Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:55 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:55 PM Something to think about: there's midterm elections this year, with lots of Dems coming up for reelection. Some of these Dems are up for reelection in states that are mostly pro 2A (FL, IN, MO, MT, NV, ND, OH, etc..). This AWB they're going to be pushing is very unconstitutional. Dems mostly spout "common sense gun control", when they really want to burn the 2nd Amendment. Will all these gun grabbing dems be exposed for what they really are? How will pro 2A mid term voters feel about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:58 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 07:58 PM Dems don’t just want to burn the 2nd, they want to burn the entire constitution. It’s an obstacle to them obtaining their global socialist government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayEm Posted March 2, 2018 at 08:01 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 08:01 PM Dems don’t just want to burn the 2nd, they want to burn the entire constitution. It’s an obstacle to them obtaining their global socialist government. I completely agree with you. Unfortunately many of the sheep will shrug you off as a conspiracy theorist if you mention this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JTHunter Posted March 2, 2018 at 10:25 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 10:25 PM Been contemplating Trump's actions and statements from yesterday. I come up with these possibilities. 1. He was never really pro 2A.2. He is completely following emotions3. He WAY OVERSTIMATES SOCIAL MEDIA as American's sentiment.4. He is trying to get the Dems to show their tru colors with complete gun grab BS5. He is trying to make sure nothing gets done at all (by trying to make them make one comprehensive bill that will never pass).6. Trying to look the good guy, bizarrely to his non base, knowing Republicans will not pass most of this.7. Trying to get the Republicans to remember THEIR pro 2a stance, by firing them up.8. He really is unstable.#8 sure would explain alot....It would, as much as I'd hate to say it's true. But I think he sees too much of social Media as input and MAY possibly take that as the sentiment of the larger population (wrongfully so), coupled with recent meetings with families, to get the emotions going could be all it is. I've used the official WH contact to voice my concerns that he will lose his base if he is seen as Gun Grabber Trump, which is happening after yesterday. With Trump's adherence to "social media", he is probably being misled. After all, the majority of those on "social media" are the younger liberals. They would most likely lie to try and influence their contacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:15 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:15 PM Dems don’t just want to burn the 2nd, they want to burn the entire constitution. It’s an obstacle to them obtaining their global socialist government. I completely agree with you. Unfortunately many of the sheep will shrug you off as a conspiracy theorist if you mention this. It's sad really. Social media has people completely oblivious, and our society as a whole, has lost serious critical thinking skills,and lack any semblance of independent thought. It's the hive mind group mentality that will be our major down fall. California is leading the way, and we're not close behind. Take a look at whats happening in the EU. These people aren't hiding their agenda, and the media has been weaponized against us, but no one wants to admit or accept it. The elites are laughing all the way to the bank, while hardworking American families are being stripped of the very rights and values upon which this once great nation was founded. “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111G2 Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:16 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:16 PM Anyone else waiting for 1776 to commence again?You're damn right I am! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:54 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:54 PM It's sad really. Social media has people completely oblivious, and our society as a whole, has lost serious critical thinking skills,and lack any semblance of independent thought. It's the hive mind group mentality that will be our major down fall. California is leading the way, and we're not close behind. Take a look at whats happening in the EU. These people aren't hiding their agenda, and the media has been weaponized against us, but no one wants to admit or accept it. The elites are laughing all the way to the bank, while hardworking American families are being stripped of the very rights and values upon which this once great nation was founded. “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”Just one more thing the boomers messed uphttps://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-sharing-content/ I hate to say it, but with the greatest generation dying off the worst generation is taking over. Anybody who ever uttered the phrase "don't trust anyone over 30" probably should of offed themselves at that age rather then making us suffer their self fulfilling treachery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:57 PM It's sad really. Social media has people completely oblivious, and our society as a whole, has lost serious critical thinking skills,and lack any semblance of independent thought. It's the hive mind group mentality that will be our major down fall. California is leading the way, and we're not close behind. Take a look at whats happening in the EU. These people aren't hiding their agenda, and the media has been weaponized against us, but no one wants to admit or accept it. The elites are laughing all the way to the bank, while hardworking American families are being stripped of the very rights and values upon which this once great nation was founded. “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”Just one more thing the boomers messed uphttps://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-sharing-content/ I hate to say it, but with the greatest generation dying off the worst generation is taking over. Anybody who ever uttered the phrase "don't trust anyone over 30" probably should of offed themselves at that age rather then making us suffer their self fulfilling treachery. The irony for me, is I stopped using Facebook when I started seeing my aunts and uncles popping up on it. That was more than 10 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capotwosix Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:59 PM Share Posted March 2, 2018 at 11:59 PM Anyone else waiting for 1776 to commence again?You're damn right I am! Many are. The political elites severely underestimate the amount of people willing to die for their beliefs and freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
111G2 Posted March 3, 2018 at 01:03 PM Share Posted March 3, 2018 at 01:03 PM Anyone else waiting for 1776 to commence again?You're damn right I am! Many are. The political elites severely underestimate the amount of people willing to die for their beliefs and freedom. I just told my wife the other day that I'm willing to die for my freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearsmithy Posted March 3, 2018 at 06:59 PM Share Posted March 3, 2018 at 06:59 PM Do you think he could be lumping as much gun control into one bill to ensure that it wont pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoresident Posted March 3, 2018 at 07:24 PM Share Posted March 3, 2018 at 07:24 PM Do you think he could be lumping as much gun control into one bill to ensure that it wont pass?No, because unlike the DACA debacle there is no poison pill in this like the rediculous amount of funds for border security. He made sure to keep out any assault weapon or magazine ban, bump stock or trigger device, or other things that would be challenged. The NRA has a record of compromising on background checks and its something generally supported by Rhinos. Unless you believe he really is the master at 4D chess and knows that the Democrats can't help but put in multiple poison pills. Then he can accuse the democrats of not being for gun safety, which was the tone he took during that roundtable were he mocked Obama's ability to get anything passed. No doubt the Democrats will try to shoot themselves in the foot, but I don't think that's what he was going for on this super background check bill. And if it's bipartisan the Rhino's will make sure the Dem's don't shoot themselves in the foot just like Trump was doing in that roundtable. The other reason why I think he wants this to have no problem passing is because he's not asking for anything in return. No HPA and no national reciprocity. The scary part is he's going to get what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 5, 2018 at 02:56 AM Share Posted March 5, 2018 at 02:56 AM Just one more thing the boomers messed uphttps://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-sharing-content/ I hate to say it, but with the greatest generation dying off the worst generation is taking over. Anybody who ever uttered the phrase "don't trust anyone over 30" probably should of offed themselves at that age rather then making us suffer their self fulfilling treachery. Careful there - I'm one of the ones who said that. I joke about it now though, saying that turning 40 didn't bother me as much as turning 30 did. Think about it. Turning 30 meant I couldn't even trust myself anymore !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 5, 2018 at 03:08 AM Share Posted March 5, 2018 at 03:08 AM Anyone else waiting for 1776 to commence again?You're damn right I am! Many are. The political elites severely underestimate the amount of people willing to die for their beliefs and freedom. Instead of being willing to die yourselves, you should think of what George C. Scott said in that long speech at the beginning of the movie "Patton".It is in this clip starting at 0:45 - 1:10. It is where Scott says that "Nobody ever won a war by dying for their country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b**t**d die for his country."Just something to keep in mind. And, considering their dislike of firearms, their skill level should be fairly low, making it easier to achieve Patton's words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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