jkrzos Posted December 10, 2009 at 06:27 PM Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 06:27 PM Howdy, I want to buy a firearm mfgd in Ohio, but they say they cannot sell to Illinois because of the "melting point?" We have been informed by some of our distributors of states that require firearms to withstand a melting point limit. In the list we were given, Illinois, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Maryland, South Carolina and California don’t allow the Chiappa 1911-22 to be sold since it doesn’t meet the limit. I told him that there is a gun on gunsamerica to be sold, it doesn't have that restriction on it. Todd-can you check into this or does anyone know of it? Jkrzos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuarytraders Posted December 10, 2009 at 06:46 PM Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 06:46 PM Yes, it has to do with "cheap" firearms. Somehow the metal in the gun makes it more dangerous. /sarcasm I'll try to find the code for you. Howdy, I want to buy a firearm mfgd in Ohio, but they say they cannot sell to Illinois because of the "melting point?" We have been informed by some of our distributors of states that require firearms to withstand a melting point limit. In the list we were given, Illinois, Minnesota, Massachusetts, Maryland, South Carolina and California don’t allow the Chiappa 1911-22 to be sold since it doesn’t meet the limit. I told him that there is a gun on gunsamerica to be sold, it doesn't have that restriction on it. Todd-can you check into this or does anyone know of it? Jkrzos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctuarytraders Posted December 10, 2009 at 06:53 PM Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 06:53 PM Okay, found it. (720 ILCS 5/24‑3)"(h) While holding any license as a dealer, importer, manufacturer or pawnbroker under the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, manufactures, sells or delivers to any unlicensed person a handgun having a barrel, slide, frame or receiver which is a die casting of zinc alloy or any other nonhomogeneous metal which will melt or deform at a temperature of less than 800 degrees Fahrenheit. For purposes of this paragraph, (1) "firearm" is defined as in the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act; and (2) "handgun" is defined as a firearm designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and includes a combination of parts from which such a firearm can be assembled. " can be referenced at http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fullt...=072000050K24-3 TEG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted December 10, 2009 at 07:42 PM Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 07:42 PM you that is the one. it's been on the books since about '72 designed to stop pot metal or white metal guns -- diecast zinc. but it only applies to metal not polymer or other things. what is there gun made of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrzos Posted December 10, 2009 at 09:00 PM Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 09:00 PM Howdy, Thanks for the information, it really helps me. I have copied the legislation and emailed it to the mfgr. Awaiting their reply. Todd, don't know what it made of. It's a neat looking 1911, but chambered in .22LR. I love the 1911 platform(I have 7 of them). The company makes reproduction civil war guns and has branched out to include this model. google chiappi firearms. It doesn't break down the materials, but does has polymer magazines(could be a down side, but they have polymer AR magazines.) again, thanks for the info. Jkrzos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrzos Posted December 10, 2009 at 09:46 PM Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 09:46 PM Howdy, heres what I got from the manufacturer- I want to thank you for sending this information to us; it will be very helpful when trying to help other people. I’ve scanned and attached a copy of the information describing the alloy composite for the Chiappa 1911-22. As is shown in the specifications, the melting point is 717-727 degrees Fahrenheit putting just below the requirements that Illinois has stipulated. Thank you again for the reference you sent. You are the first person who has been kind enough to do so. PJMKS Supply, Inc. Jkrzosguess I'm out for buying one until I move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted December 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM Share Posted December 10, 2009 at 10:32 PM Too bad this handgun is outlawed in Illinois. It sounds like a sweet shooting, inexpensive 1911 to practice with. I wonder if they would consider changing their manufacturing process to bring the alloy's melting point up to 800+ degrees? Would it be worth their time and expense for sales in Illinois? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted December 11, 2009 at 02:15 PM Share Posted December 11, 2009 at 02:15 PM The melting point restriction is a modern version of the Army/Navy law, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultra magnus Posted December 15, 2009 at 03:45 AM Share Posted December 15, 2009 at 03:45 AM I've seen these available for sale in Illinois FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyT Posted December 15, 2009 at 04:14 AM Share Posted December 15, 2009 at 04:14 AM The melting point restriction is a modern version of the Army/Navy law, no? No, as I understand it, it's another leftover racist "Saturday night special" law. You know, keep guns expensive so that certain undesirable types can't afford them and make trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted December 15, 2009 at 04:24 AM Share Posted December 15, 2009 at 04:24 AM I've seen these available for sale in Illinois FYI. Ain't that a kicker? Buy a gun thinking you're legal, not knowing the alloy has a melting point just 80 degrees shy of Illinois' legal limit. What's the sentencing guidelines for possession of a diecast zinc weapon? Ten years? This state has waaaaaay too many statutes to put unsuspecting citizens in jail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted December 15, 2009 at 05:14 PM Share Posted December 15, 2009 at 05:14 PM I'm a bit late on this one but I did notice in the Gander Mountain black friday ad, A Heratige MFG 22lr revolver on sale, with "not available in IL" in the fine print. I did some digging and found out about the alloy frame issue too. They did have an optional steel frame legal in IL on their website. I tried to find the black friday ad again, but it has been taken down everywhere. Alloy frame and the available in IL Steel Frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermit315 Posted December 15, 2009 at 07:45 PM Share Posted December 15, 2009 at 07:45 PM If somebody moves to the state and has one, they can keep it. If they want to sell it, you can buy it. It just cant be sold from a dealer, and since it involves going through a dealer, you cant buy it from out of state. It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted December 16, 2009 at 12:22 AM Share Posted December 16, 2009 at 12:22 AM The melting point restriction is a modern version of the Army/Navy law, no? No, as I understand it, it's another leftover racist "Saturday night special" law. You know, keep guns expensive so that certain undesirable types can't afford them and make trouble.That was the point of the Army/Navy law. You could only buy the Army model revolver or the Navy model, and they were expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted December 17, 2009 at 02:12 AM Share Posted December 17, 2009 at 02:12 AM Did anyone ever see a S&W Sigma .380 in the 1990's? It had a zinc slide. It was a horrible PR move on S&W's part. But I believe I remember seeing them for sale in Illinois.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermit315 Posted December 17, 2009 at 02:23 AM Share Posted December 17, 2009 at 02:23 AM I bought one for my wife in 2001, and promptly sold it. Couldnt hit the broad side of a barn from the inside with it. Bought it from Farm King in Galesburg if I remember right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted December 17, 2009 at 03:02 PM Share Posted December 17, 2009 at 03:02 PM I went to Gallery of Guns and put in a search for that handgun and a Wisconsin zip code, came up unavailable. I also did a search for all 1911-22 handguns and that was the only brand that came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted December 17, 2009 at 03:49 PM Share Posted December 17, 2009 at 03:49 PM Another stupid law. Of course the government doesn't want poor people to have the right to defend themselves... Also has the side effect of disallowing access to a couple of cool guns... Could be worse. At least we're not in Maryland or California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kestrou Posted December 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM Share Posted December 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM There's a lot of issues higher on the list that should be challenged, but this is a good example of one that's RIPE for a court challenge. Wouldn't life be grand if we got tort reform to "the loser pays" so that we could easily challenge all these inane and arbitrary limits on constitutional rights?! kestrou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted December 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM Share Posted December 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM There's a lot of issues higher on the list that should be challenged, but this is a good example of one that's RIPE for a court challenge. Wouldn't life be grand if we got tort reform to "the loser pays" so that we could easily challenge all these inane and arbitrary limits on constitutional rights?! kestrou Welcome kestrou! And Merry Christmas! Actually when you think about it, we lose even when we win, because the taxpayer picks up the tab on both sides. That's why anti-gun politicians don't mind fighting these battles in court. They don't have to show up or pay the legal fees - but we do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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