ddan Posted May 23, 2019 at 05:59 PM Share Posted May 23, 2019 at 05:59 PM Well, the letters showed up in the mail today from ISP.Rules and requirements are up on ISP website.This is bad stuff that is often internally inconsistent, unavailable, useless, and/or undefined. Have a look at safe storage requirements as an example: https://www.isp.state.il.us/firearms/fdlc/forms.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyP Posted May 23, 2019 at 06:45 PM Share Posted May 23, 2019 at 06:45 PM Caveat - I am NOT an FFL beyond having a C&R license so I admit I am not educated on this topic. Don't most FFLs, private home based or fixed box store, already follow and have in place most of the practices and protocols now defined at that ISP link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddan Posted May 24, 2019 at 12:03 AM Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 12:03 AM Not necessarily. But the real problem is the process and systems. Example: date FFL was issued on the FFL affidavit. There is no such thing on the FFL. No field for FOID expiration on he employee form. But it is a required field. I have t gotten very far into the process because the application requires me to certify 90 days of video being stored. Nope, and not required till January. There are also a lot of substantial stuff that was added. Additionally, who has a disaster recovery plan in their format? Who has a security plan in their format? And in and on. Best guess at his point is 40 hours to complete, plus two hours per employee to watch the stupid don’t lie for the other guy videos again. Signs throughout that these rules were written by someone with no depth of understanding of how business is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 24, 2019 at 01:32 AM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 01:32 AM Well they work in government so all they know is taxpayer money. People love to hate people on welfare but at least they don't do any harm with that taxpayer money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 24, 2019 at 12:14 PM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 12:14 PM There are also a lot of substantial stuff that was added. Do you mean stuff added that is not in the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagt48 Posted May 24, 2019 at 08:15 PM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 08:15 PM Stopped by my FFL today. He half jokingly said that I might be one of the last transfers he ever does. He only got his FFL maybe two or three years ago for something to do having just retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted May 24, 2019 at 09:56 PM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 09:56 PM Where does the law say this: d) If a retail location presents special security issues, such as exposed handling or unusual vulnerability to diversion, theft or loss, the Department may require additional safeguards, such as supervised watchman service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted May 24, 2019 at 10:25 PM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 10:25 PM So now they gotta hire security?!?!?!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted May 24, 2019 at 10:30 PM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 10:30 PM Where does the law say this: d) If a retail location presents special security issues, such as exposed handling or unusual vulnerability to diversion, theft or loss, the Department may require additional safeguards, such as supervised watchman service.I've been waiting for proposed rules to be issued to jcar and wondering what is happening. Then yesterday everything finalized. What the hey!!!? No checks and balances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 24, 2019 at 11:55 PM Share Posted May 24, 2019 at 11:55 PM Looked over last couple of meetings as well as items published to regster and saw nothing from the ISP http://ilga.gov/commission/jcar/default.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 26, 2019 at 02:30 PM Share Posted May 26, 2019 at 02:30 PM · Hidden by Molly B., May 26, 2019 at 05:26 PM - No reason given Hidden by Molly B., May 26, 2019 at 05:26 PM - No reason given Well, the letters showed up in the mail today from ISP. Rules and requirements are up on ISP website. This is bad stuff that is often internally inconsistent, unavailable, useless, and/or undefined. Have a look at safe storage requirements as an example: https://www.isp.state.il.us/firearms/fdlc/forms.cfm Do I remember correctly that you're on the FFL-IL board? Link to comment
Molly B. Posted May 26, 2019 at 06:49 PM Share Posted May 26, 2019 at 06:49 PM Correct, Official rules have not been published per jcar rules and open for public comment. Looks like ISP has gotten way out over their skies by sending this out to dealers ahead of jcar approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onytay Posted May 26, 2019 at 06:59 PM Share Posted May 26, 2019 at 06:59 PM Correct, Official rules have not been published per jcar rules and open for public comment. Looks like ISP has gotten way out over their skies by sending this out to dealers ahead of jcar approval.Should we wait to apply or hope it will be straitened out in the end? So many questions and very little answers....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish Posted May 31, 2019 at 06:18 PM Share Posted May 31, 2019 at 06:18 PM At least 5 shops closing in Williamson county that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 10, 2019 at 02:21 PM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 02:21 PM Correct, Official rules have not been published per jcar rules and open for public comment. Looks like ISP has gotten way out over their skies by sending this out to dealers ahead of jcar approval.Are dealers still expected to be certified and compliant this month even though JCAR submission hasnt been done? Q. When does the new law take effect? A. The statute was effective January 18, 2019 and requires all affected persons or entities to be certified by July 17, 2019. Q. Is there a deadline for compliance? A. All FFLs who wish to continue doing business without interruption must submit their application to the ISP by June 17, 2019. This allows the Illinois State Police time to process the certification prior to the July 18, 2019 deadline. If the Illinois State Police does not issue a certificate by July 18, 2019 and 30 days have passed since your submission, you may continue to operate as if you have been issued a certificate or until the Illinois State Police issues a denial letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted July 10, 2019 at 02:29 PM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 02:29 PM That's what ISP is saying and as far as I know, they don't even have emergency rules in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 10, 2019 at 02:47 PM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 02:47 PM So...what changes will a customer see next week, if any? e.g. more forms on a purchase, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted July 10, 2019 at 03:04 PM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 03:04 PM Not necessarily. But the real problem is the process and systems. Example: date FFL was issued on the FFL affidavit. There is no such thing on the FFL. No field for FOID expiration on he employee form. But it is a required field. I have t gotten very far into the process because the application requires me to certify 90 days of video being stored. Nope, and not required till January. There are also a lot of substantial stuff that was added. Additionally, who has a disaster recovery plan in their format? Who has a security plan in their format? And in and on. Best guess at his point is 40 hours to complete, plus two hours per employee to watch the stupid don’t lie for the other guy videos again. Signs throughout that these rules were written by someone with no depth of understanding of how business is done. The point of all this is to put the mom & pop/kitchen table FFL holders out of business. If they take out a couple dozen storefronts too, that's just bonus for them! It's about destroying the gun culture in Illinois, same as the FOID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 10, 2019 at 07:00 PM Share Posted July 10, 2019 at 07:00 PM We call it IDEP...Illinois Dealer Eradication Program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted July 11, 2019 at 02:50 AM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 02:50 AM Since when does a state have a right to regulate items congress has decided to regulate by virtue of their own power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted July 11, 2019 at 01:37 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 01:37 PM Since when does a state have a right to regulate items congress has decided to regulate by virtue of their own power? Since Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted July 11, 2019 at 02:36 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 02:36 PM The whole thing is a typical Illinois state mess.Neither the legislature, the governor nor the ISP knows what the other is doing and are playing by their own self made rules.I'd bet the ISP is receiving new regulations daily from Chicago dems on what needs to be in place so they scramble to comply and... well...The ISP doesn't have the manpower to remove weapons from a citizen on a revoked FOID. How in the world are they gonna take on regulating dealer compliance.Amateur hour - again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:00 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:00 PM On another board, a poster reported being required to fill out a form asking for their occupation and intended use of purchase. They were told it was required by the new state law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modeler1945 Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:14 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:14 PM On another board, a poster reported being required to fill out a form asking for their occupation and intended use of purchase. They were told it was required by the new state law.Where they by chance purchasing from Mega Sports? Because I had to do that 5 years ago there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:18 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:18 PM On another board, a poster reported being required to fill out a form asking for their occupation and intended use of purchase. They were told it was required by the new state law. Where they by chance purchasing from Mega Sports? Because I had to do that 5 years ago there.Did not sound like it. That was my first thought too but MS has been doing that local form for probably 20 years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:19 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 03:19 PM I hope there are still enough small FFLs left to file a slew of lawsuits against this ridiculous law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted July 11, 2019 at 10:19 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 10:19 PM On another board, a poster reported being required to fill out a form asking for their occupation and intended use of purchase. They were told it was required by the new state law.Q. "What is your occupation?" A. "None of your effing business." Q. "Why are you making this purchase?" A. "Why not?" Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted July 11, 2019 at 11:18 PM Share Posted July 11, 2019 at 11:18 PM A1. A retired loafing bum.A2. To loaf with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeckler Posted July 12, 2019 at 12:34 AM Share Posted July 12, 2019 at 12:34 AM Are there disqualifying answers? - Assasian- Bank Robber- Professional Thief Serious question, is there a list of approved professions and usage? If the response isn't used to qualify the purchase, then why bother collecting the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted July 12, 2019 at 12:36 AM Share Posted July 12, 2019 at 12:36 AM A1. Gang Banger. A2. To put a cap in nosey people's a**. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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