kurt555gs Posted June 28, 2015 at 04:45 AM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 04:45 AM The 606 is a Chicago City Park but it it is also a "walking trail" Legal to carry? Yes or no? http://www.the606.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted June 28, 2015 at 05:22 AM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 05:22 AM Yes, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted June 28, 2015 at 12:48 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 12:48 PM I think we need someone to volunteer to test this in court. As it is located in Chiraq it won't be me. I refuse to go to the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted June 28, 2015 at 12:56 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 12:56 PM I am reminded of the courage of so many plaintiffs in these landmark 2A cases. If I won the lottery, I'd love to ride the CTA transporting an unloaded Glock and be the legal case that proves that the Illinois FCCA (Family and Personal Protection Act) - doesn't prohibit transporting in places where the FCCA prohibits carrying. Because I wouldn't care that I had an indictment on my record that would in all likelihood prevent me from being employed in my field. The same thing with carrying on Cook County trails.. The plaintiffs who carried many of our landmark cases forward didn't have the luxury of being independently wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt555gs Posted June 28, 2015 at 01:34 PM Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 01:34 PM Isn't the law quite clear about carry on walking trails? Just as it is about FOID transport in parks, public transportation, and permitted street festivals? Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted June 28, 2015 at 01:52 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 01:52 PM Isn't the law quite clear about carry on walking trails? Just as it is about FOID transport in parks, public transportation, and permitted street festivals? Sent from my Nexus 6 using TapatalkIf the law is clear what is the purpose of this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted June 28, 2015 at 02:06 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 02:06 PM If it connects with other paths, walks or roads, it is lawful. Even. Paths through Cook county forest preserves are also lawful for paths and walks and roads that go through or connect to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted June 28, 2015 at 02:07 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 02:07 PM If they post it, then they have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt555gs Posted June 28, 2015 at 03:01 PM Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 03:01 PM The purpose of this thread is to see if anyone here has more information than I do in regards to legal concealed carry on the 606. Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted June 28, 2015 at 03:24 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 03:24 PM Hi, Look, the purpose of the politicians in all of this is to keep things so uncertain -- to make people so skittish about where, when and how they can carry -- as to deter good people like us from carrying. It's the theme you see in all the prohibited areas, as well as the high cost of everything associated with getting a permit. Make it inconvenient and expensive, and hold the raw number of permitees down. Then make it so impractical (the public transit prohibition, for instance and in particular) that even permit holders don't carry. Better than before, but still a pretty sad state of affairs.FWIW.Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted June 28, 2015 at 03:58 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 03:58 PM Under section 65 of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act (430 ILCS 66/), it states: “(3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government, provided that nothing in this paragraph shall prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm onto the real property, bikeway, or trail in a park regulated by the Department of Natural Resources or any other designated public hunting area or building where firearm possession is permitted as established by the Department of Natural Resources under Section 1.8 of the Wildlife Code. (13) Any public park, athletic area, or athletic facility under the control of a municipality or park district, provided nothing in this Section shall prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm while on a trail or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park”. The city of Chicago is designating this as a trail within the park; it does not extend beyond the boundaries of the park. “CDOT, along with numerous community partners, is building the Bloomingdale Trail and Park-- a multi-use linear park that will be the first of its kind in Chicago. The trail and park will run along an unused, elevated rail line along Bloomingdale Avenue (approximately 1800 North) from Ashland (1600 West) to Ridgeway (3732 West)”. http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/cdot/supp_info/bloomingdale_trail.html Since the trail does not pass beyond the limits of the park, I would say that the subsection 13 exemption does not apply. Subsection 3 only applies to DNR controlled areas. Nothing in the law says anything about connecting with roads or sidewalks. We need to push for the end of the restriction against carrying in parks. HB3883 would do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurt555gs Posted June 28, 2015 at 10:27 PM Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 10:27 PM So the consensus is FOID transport and not concealed carry? Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted June 28, 2015 at 11:33 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 11:33 PM I walked there yesterday, so lemme provide some feedback if it helps. I entered from the eastern end of the trail near Ashland. The ramp up to the trail directly touches the city sidewalk on Marshfield. The same is true of all the entrance/exit ramps I encountered. If indeed it's true that sidewalks through a park are okay for carry, I don't see what the issue would be with carrying on the 606. Also for the sake of disclosure, I don't have my CCW license and wasn't carrying; the permit's too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted June 28, 2015 at 11:34 PM Share Posted June 28, 2015 at 11:34 PM Let's ask Rahm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted June 29, 2015 at 12:23 AM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 12:23 AM Let's ask Rahm.Honestly we need a lawsuit, a change of the guard in Springfield, or something. These uncertainties and restrictions are getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted June 29, 2015 at 02:51 AM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 02:51 AM Although people may occasionally ride a bicycle on the sidewalk, or walk long distances on them, they are not considered to be bikeways or trails. If all that is required is for a path or parking lot in a park to connect with road or sidewalk to be exempted from the "no guns in parks" restriction, virtually all public parks would be exempted. There are bikeways on Chicago streets. On Google Maps I cannot tell if any connect directly to the Bloomingdale Park and Bike Trail. If Chicago declares that the park ends at the edge of the sidewalk with no connection to the street bike lanes, then guns would be restricted from 606 Bloomingdale Park and Bike Trail. This may be a gray area, but if caught with a gun you would have to hope for a friendly Chicago cop, Cook County prosecutor, and judge. I would not like to spend my money on a lawyer for a test case. Encourage your legislators to have the law changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted June 29, 2015 at 04:25 AM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 04:25 AM If I remember correctly there is a section in the law to allow an FCCL holder to pass through a gun free zone to travel from one legal to carry location to another. This allows someone access to their home or work or other location if they have to pass through as park to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted June 29, 2015 at 02:43 PM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 02:43 PM From Section 65 Prohibited Areas: "(10) Any public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from the unit of local government, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access his or her residence, place of business, or vehicle". This applies to street festivals, block parties, farmers market, parades, and the like. The park is not a special event or public gathering. No special event permit is required for its use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted June 29, 2015 at 04:54 PM Share Posted June 29, 2015 at 04:54 PM I would refer to the Chicago Bike Map http://www.cityofchicago.org/cityinfo/cdot/bikemap/keymap.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishbone Posted July 3, 2015 at 04:02 AM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 04:02 AM It is a public right of way. As long as you are traveling along it, you are legal. It has nothing to do with being a bike trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted July 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 12:17 PM It is a public right of way. As long as you are traveling along it, you are legal. It has nothing to do with being a bike trail. is it really a right-of-way - seems to me it's a very long skinny park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted July 3, 2015 at 01:56 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 01:56 PM It is a public right of way. As long as you are traveling along it, you are legal. It has nothing to do with being a bike trail. is it really a right-of-way - seems to me it's a very long skinny park It may very well be, but it is now a part of a public network of thoroughfares. Pedestrian or bicycle makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 3, 2015 at 04:04 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 04:04 PM "It is a public right of way. As long as you are traveling along it, you are legal. It has nothing to do with being a bike trail". "It may very well be, but it is now a part of a public network of thoroughfares. Pedestrian or bicycle makes no difference". The law specifically mentions bikeways and trails, not thoroughfares or right-of-ways. The Bloomingdale Trail, itself, does not extend beyond the boundaries of the park, so the exception in #13 does not apply. If the city of Chicago extended the designation of the trail beyond the park, then the exception would apply and CC would be legal on the trail. Under section 65 [Prohibited Areas] of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act (430 ILCS 66/), it states: “(3) Any building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of government, provided that nothing in this paragraph shall prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm onto the real property, bikeway, or trail in a park regulated by the Department of Natural Resources or any other designated public hunting area or building where firearm possession is permitted as established by the Department of Natural Resources under Section 1.8 of the Wildlife Code. (13) Any public park, athletic area, or athletic facility under the control of a municipality or park district, provided nothing in this Section shall prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm while on a trail or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rat Posted July 3, 2015 at 05:25 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 05:25 PM Honestly, this is getting silly. The 606 is a municipal park administered by the Chicago Park District and the trail is completely within park boundaries. It's not a public right-of-way. The park is a no-carry zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted July 3, 2015 at 06:11 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 06:11 PM The 606 definately includes trail or bikeway if only a portion of the trail or bikeway includes a public park. This map of the 606 shows several access points to portions of the 606 trail from other bike trails. Access from a bike trail, stay on the trail, end leave from a trail access point and you should be good to go with a little pre-planning.http://www.the606.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/The606_printable_map.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted July 3, 2015 at 08:12 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 08:12 PM I thought this was about Pace Route 606. http://www.pacebus.com/sub/schedules/route_detail.asp?RouteNo=606 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted July 3, 2015 at 08:34 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 08:34 PM I think we need someone to volunteer to test this in court. As it is located in Chiraq it won't be me. I refuse to go to the city. Like I said... X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishbone Posted July 3, 2015 at 10:43 PM Share Posted July 3, 2015 at 10:43 PM "It is a public right of way. As long as you are traveling along it, you are legal. It has nothing to do with being a bike trail"."It may very well be, but it is now a part of a public network of thoroughfares. Pedestrian or bicycle makes no difference". The law specifically mentions bikeways and trails, not thoroughfares or right-of-ways...." No, the law DOES mention public right of ways. c: A licensee shall not be in violation of this Section while he or she is traveling along a public right of way that touches or crosses any of the premises under subsection (a), (a-5), or (a-10) of this Section if the concealed firearm is carried on his or her person in accordance with the provisions of this Act or is being transported in a vehicle by the licensee in accordance with all other applicable provisions of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted July 4, 2015 at 12:53 AM Share Posted July 4, 2015 at 12:53 AM The City of Chicago purchased the right-of-way from Canadian Pacific Railway in January 2013.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomingdale_Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted July 4, 2015 at 01:34 AM Share Posted July 4, 2015 at 01:34 AM I was referring to (3) and (13) and the relationship of parks, trails, and bikeways. While c: may permit you to CC while walking on a sidewalk that borders a park, you would be in violation as soon as you stepped onto park land. The Bloomindale Trail is completely within the boundaries of park property. It terminates at the sidewalk. Your land contacts your neighbors’ land and/or the public right of way or easement. That does not automatically give anyone using them to access your land without your permission, even if you have a private sidewalk or path that touches said areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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