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#1 Scott1453

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:33 AM

This is my first post. Bear with me. Its a long one. Just looking for advice.

Ok. Here is the story. Back in June of 2019, myself and several others took a 16 hour conceal carry class in the hopes of starting a security team at our church so that we would no longer be a soft target. The instructor issues ya our certificates and 4 of us immediately submitted our applications. Unbeknownst to us, the instructor had issued us old (invalid) certificates. He then gave us all the new certificate, but we had to wait until we were rejected by the state to resubmit. We were all rejected in September and immediately resubmitted with the new certificates. Just this past week the other three were issued their CCLs while I was again, rejected for an invalid certificate. Keep in mind that I submitted the exact certificate that they all did. So here are my questions.

1. What the heck do I do?
2. When will the state finally just tell me, its been several submissions, you dont get a CCL?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:14 AM

Did you sign the new certificate? enter any wrong instructor info? What is check marked on the certificate?


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#3 Scott1453

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 08:33 AM

Yes I did sign it. All the instructor info is correct. Not sure what you mean by “check marked on the certificate”. I didn’t see anything.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 08:53 AM

Yes I did sign it. All the instructor info is correct. Not sure what you mean by “check marked on the certificate”. I didn’t see anything.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 09:02 AM

 

Yes I did sign it. All the instructor info is correct. Not sure what you mean by “check marked on the certificate”. I didn’t see anything.

Did you have any prior training credit?

 

Shouldn't matter if they all took a 16 hour class.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if whoever was reviewing your app they quickly noticed you were previously rejected due to the form.  They glanced at the new one and assumed it to still be the old one.  That is more or less what happened to me.  The few people hired to manage the reviews need help in a major way.


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Posted 10 February 2020 - 09:10 AM

We all took a 16 hour class. So the prior credit wasn’t needed. Do I just go ahead and resubmit? Is there anybody I can call?

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 09:44 AM

Yes I did sign it. All the instructor info is correct. Not sure what you mean by “check marked on the certificate”. I didn’t see anything.

I don't have mine on hand this second. But there should be a spot where the instructor checked a box and wrote in that they provided 16 hours of training and all his info. Calling out curriculum number, etc.


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Posted 10 February 2020 - 09:48 AM

Yes. All that information was checked off.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 09:52 AM

I have my firearms folder out on the desk...

 

Check these things... instructor name printed, applicant name written, date written, box checked, 16 hours written, curriculum in red

instructor id in red, business name printed, instructor signed, applicant signed. 

 

Mine was ISP 2-640 (12/13)


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Posted 10 February 2020 - 09:59 AM

Is there anybody I can call?

 

My last email took 16 days for response of first contact, who routed it to FSB... no reply from them after 19 days



#11 Scott1453

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 10:25 AM

I have my firearms folder out on the desk...
 
Check these things... instructor name printed, applicant name written, date written, box checked, 16 hours written, curriculum in red
instructor id in red, business name printed, instructor signed, applicant signed. 
 
Mine was ISP 2-640 (12/13)


All of those things are done on my certificate.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 10:56 AM

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