jwarren10101 Posted June 9, 2020 at 05:48 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 05:48 PM Hey all, I was looking to build a 14.5" to take advantage of handgun preemption at the state level. I was wondering if there are any Illinois laws prohibiting pistols with a barrel above a certain length. Would a 14.5 be GTG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted June 9, 2020 at 05:55 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 05:55 PM weld a flash suppressor to the end and keep it 16" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwarren10101 Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:02 PM Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:02 PM Unfortunately, I live in Cook. Would like to have a viable home defense option instead of having to store it outside the county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:10 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:10 PM Am not aware of any state laws in regard to pistol bbl length, but if so, hopefully someone will chime in. As in the other AR pistol thread, Cook includes within their AWB but one would expect state preemption to prevail.====For purposes of this paragraph, (1) "firearm" is defined as in the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act; and (2) "handgun" is defined as a firearm designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and includes a combination of parts from which such a firearm can be assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:53 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:53 PM Am not aware of any state laws in regard to pistol bbl length, but if so, hopefully someone will chime in. As in the other AR pistol thread, Cook includes within their AWB but one would expect state preemption to prevail.====For purposes of this paragraph, (1) "firearm" is defined as in the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act; and (2) "handgun" is defined as a firearm designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand, and includes a combination of parts from which such a firearm can be assembled.Because of this if I still lived in Illinois I'd use a Tailhook brace on your pistol build. It can legitimately pass the test of being "designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. I might also consider building in a pistol caliber, say 10mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwarren10101 Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:56 PM Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 06:56 PM Thanks for the responses. I plan on buying the upper straight from the manufacturer and add all the parts to the lower myself, so I'll be sure to look into the tailhook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:31 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:31 PM What little I know is the receiver must be listed as a pistol in official paperwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splash Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:40 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:40 PM What little I know is the receiver must be listed as a pistol in official paperwork. I believe it's listed as "Other". Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:43 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:43 PM I might also consider building in a pistol caliberI too would consider a pistol caliber and perhaps a shorter bbl. the receiver must be listed as a pistol Are you 100% sure on that? I thought it might be "other". Build it initially as a pistol and you can go back and forth from pistol to rifle. Start life as a rifle, always a rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwarren10101 Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:54 PM Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 08:54 PM Why the pistol caliber? For legal or practical reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 9, 2020 at 09:00 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 09:00 PM Why the pistol caliber? For legal or practical reasons?Practical reasons for me I guess. In normal times, round options, availability, cost... And I guess it depends on where you plan on keeping it...at home? Vehicle gun? I know .223 is supposedly a good HD round but Im partial to 9mm, at least inside short distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted June 9, 2020 at 09:01 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 09:01 PM If you buy a stripped lower, it should be other. If it's a built lower or complete firearm, it would then be marked as pistol or rifle. A stripped lower can become either. An assembled lower will either have a stock on it (rifle) or just a buffer tube (should be marked as pistol i think). I'm not 100% positive on the assembled lowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted June 9, 2020 at 11:43 PM Share Posted June 9, 2020 at 11:43 PM Why the pistol caliber? For legal or practical reasons?Practical reasons for me I guess. In normal times, round options, availability, cost... And I guess it depends on where you plan on keeping it...at home? Vehicle gun? I know .223 is supposedly a good HD round but Im partial to 9mm, at least inside short distances.I suggested pistol caliber because of the practical reason that you can have a 9mm or 10mm Glock that uses the same magazines. Keep the Glock in your holster and the AR Pistol in your trunk. Having your AR Pistol in a pistol caliber also adds credit to the concept that the gun was built and designed to be a pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted June 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM Share Posted June 10, 2020 at 12:16 AM ... Having your AR Pistol in a pistol caliber also adds credit to the concept that the gun was built and designed to be a pistol. It's too bad that logic won't work with pistol caliber carbines. PCCs are banned, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwarren10101 Posted June 10, 2020 at 12:52 AM Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 at 12:52 AM Would it matter if the lower is marked as pistol or other? Since I was under the impression that you could convert a pistol into a rifle and back if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted June 10, 2020 at 01:28 AM Share Posted June 10, 2020 at 01:28 AM Would it matter if the lower is marked as pistol or other? Since I was under the impression that you could convert a pistol into a rifle and back if needed. IANAL. I am not sure it even matters if the lower is marked. The designation discussed is on the paperwork. Just get a stripped lower or one that was originally assembled as a pistol i.e no stock. As stated above, started a a pistol allows conversions and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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