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#1 InterestedBystander

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 09:30 PM

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A major gun licensing reform bill will not make it out of the Illinois legislature this session.

Backers of the Fix the FOID act, which was largely a response to a mass shooting in Aurora in February, have vowed to bring back the measure for another try.

Proponents say the bill is needed to strengthen background checks for gun owners and provide more funding to better enforce existing laws that bar dangerous people from possessing weapons.

The measure, which would have increased fees for gun licenses and required all applicants be fingerprinted, won House approval earlier this week despite opposition from lawmakers who said it infringed on Second Amendment rights. But legislators told the Tribune on Friday that the bill would not be called for a vote in the Illinois Senate.

The failure of the bill that was prompted by one mass shooting happened to occur on the day of another mass shooting, this one in Virginia Beach, Va., where local authorities said 11 people were killed Friday.

The February mass shooting in Aurora by a revoked Illinois license holder who should never have been able to purchase the handgun he used to kill five people became a rallying cry for supporters who wanted to close loopholes in the law.

But the legislation faced strong opposition, with detractors calling the proposed new regulations among the most onerous in the nation and an infringement on their constitutional rights.

The bill was debated for three hours in the House, with Downstate and suburban Republican lawmakers challenging the need to fingerprint or raise fees on lawful gun owners.

On Friday, Democrat Julie Morrison, the Senate sponsor of the bill, spoke strongly in support of it but said she ran out of time to explain to fellow senators the significant changes it proposed.

I feel confident that it is going to become law, Morrison said. Its just not going to become law May 31.

Kathleen Sances, president of the Gun Violence Prevention PAC, which was involved in drafting the legislation, is holding out hope the proposal will come for a vote before the Senate at a later date.

Were really thrilled that we were able to get the bill out of the House, and I really have to give credit to Rep. (Kathleen) Willis, Sances said of the bills House sponsor. We ran out of time in the Senate. So moving forward well just be talking with both chambers and well see what we can do to get enough votes to pass it in the Senate.

Morrison said the legislation could be taken up in November during the veto session.

The call to require fingerprinting to obtain a state firearms license, known commonly as a FOID, gained serious steam after Aurora gunman Gary Martin opened fire with a Smith & Wesson handgun at the Henry Pratt Co. and killed five co-workers. Martin, a convicted felon, was prohibited from owning a gun and had his FOID card revoked by Illinois State Police in 2014. But he managed to keep both the license and the Smith & Wesson he used in the mass shooting.

Willis, the House sponsor, vowed to continue the fight to pass the legislation.

While I am disappointed I remain committed to continue to work over the summer with the stakeholders to return with a bill that will address the issues with the (FOID) system and make our state safer, Willis, a Democrat, said in a statement to the Tribune.

Besides the fingerprinting provision, the measure would have increased the application fee from $10 for a 10-year FOID card to $20 for five years. Some of the additional revenue would have funded a task force to account for the firearms of revoked cardholders.

The Illinois State Police, in the wake of Aurora, instituted major changes to how FOID card revocation details are shared among law enforcement, taking the unprecedented step of creating a database listing every revoked cardholder statewide.

The information, which has been shared with most departments, includes the crucial information about firearms purchasing history for each revoked cardholder and the reason for the revocation. State police also announced they planned to form regional task forces to help communities address their backlogs.

But all of this now appears to be happening without any additional money that the legislation would have provided through the fee increase.

Long-term, more funding is critical to addressing the revocations and the backlog, but in the meantime the work needs to continue, said Cara Smith, chief policy officer for the Cook County sheriffs office, which has a revocation team. Dangerous people are revoked every day.
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Posted 31 May 2019 - 09:43 PM

There are obstacles that they have not yet figured out how to deal with...not surprised

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 09:47 PM

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The Illinois State Police, in the wake of Aurora, instituted major changes to how FOID card revocation details are shared among law enforcement, taking the unprecedented step of creating a database listing every revoked cardholder statewide.
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The ISP already had a database of all FOIDs. Does somebody think the ISP throws away FOID-holder information the moment the card is printed? Or the moment it expires?

There was another article that explained how the ISP enforced revoked/suspended/expired FOIDs. First, they assume individuals voluntarily comply with the law. Then if someone tries to use an invalid FOID, the ISP gets a search warrant.

Welcome to western democracy. That's how the law is supposed to work. Cops should not act automatically on the suspicion that every individual is committing crimes. There actually has to be a crime first.
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Posted 31 May 2019 - 09:58 PM

Soon to return as "Void the Foid".
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Posted 31 May 2019 - 10:02 PM

“Kathleen Sances, president of the Gun Violence Prevention PAC, which was involved in drafting the legislation, is holding out hope the proposal will come for a vote before the Senate at a later date.”

Proof that we have nothing but robots who rely on PACs to write bills. We dodnt elect PAC’s.
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Posted 31 May 2019 - 10:20 PM

"Dangerous people are revoked every day." I didn't know people could be revoked. Scary.

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Posted 31 May 2019 - 10:53 PM

" Work over the summer with the stakeholders "   ....... <--  $ Just who are these stakeholders she speaks of? $  As if we didn't know!!  :mad( :headbang1: 



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Posted 31 May 2019 - 11:05 PM

" Work over the summer with the stakeholders "   ....... <--  $ Just who are these stakeholders she speaks of? $  As if we didn't know!!  :mad( :headbang1:

She didnt invite Pro 2A people before. Wonder if she rethinks that strategy?
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Posted 31 May 2019 - 11:34 PM

She didnt invite Pro 2A people before. Wonder if she rethinks that strategy?


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Posted 31 May 2019 - 11:44 PM

“Kathleen Sances, president of the Gun Violence Prevention PAC, which was involved in drafting the legislation, is holding out hope the proposal will come for a vote before the Senate at a later date.”

Proof that we have nothing but robots who rely on PACs to write bills. We dodnt elect PAC’s.

 

Wow they drafted some bad legislation that needed to be amended twice. I said Willis was too stupid to come up with on her own and it was pretty obvious when she was getting grilled by the Republicans. Will the FOID even still be around by November or will the courts already ruled it unconstitutional? I hope it's gone and then they can try and rewrite it but wont be able to.

At least true Commies usually have a real agenda. This BS is all emotion. These people need therapy and hugs.

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 08:48 AM

"The information, which has been shared with most departments, includes the crucial information about firearms purchasing history for each revoked cardholder and the reason for the revocation."

If they have purchase history for every FOID card holder, it that not defacto firearms registration?

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:33 AM

So, the ISP doesn't catch the mutt from the Aurora shooting, and somehow it's the fault of every other legal gun owner in the state? Right, got it. 

 

No wonder they passed legal weed, you'd have to high on something to believe half of what they say. 


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:33 AM

The antiquated, useless, will-not-prevent murder FOID system ought to be abolished. None of the killers this weekend in Chicago or the rest of Illinois had a FOID card. And if anyone of them had such a card, that did not stop the killer from killing. By the way, there are a lot of good, non-violent gun owners who do not have a FOID card. They may not have applied for one,or the card may have expired. Yet, Aunt Susie, who never had a FOID card, is not riding around with her "piece" hunting for victims. But don't attack her at the bus stop or invade her house. She will shoot you "grave yard dead."
Firearms are not the problem. If they were, then all police officers, armed security guards, private detectives, CCW licensees, hunters, and armed fishermen -all of whom are armed- ought to be disarmed. Because, if guns are the problem, these people should get rid of their guns. The violent crime rate would dramatically drop. One problem. These people are not responsible for the violence. Go after Thug, who is the source of the violence. Ponder that.....


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:45 AM

Someone in the House and Senate need to get together and produce a mirrored set of bills named "Correct the FOID". 

 

Fix any deficiencies in the current system, permanently set the cost to $5.00 for 10 years, with the money going exclusively towards funding "Eddie Eagle" in all grade schools (you know, gun safety for children, and all that), and making it illegal for future legislatures to tamper with it.

 

Have it set and ready to file the first day of session.....

 

What'cha think? 


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:24 PM

OK, I admit to being jaded, from living in Illinois for too long. 

 

But ... IMHO, the only reason they didn't get the "Fix the FOID" crapola passed, is because; 1. They had bigger fish to fry and 2. They are lazy slobs. 

 

The Budget, Recreational Marijuana, Expanded Gambling/Chicago Casino and expanded Abortion bills were all higher profile and will result in much higher revenue streams (in their pockets) for these gangsters.

 

We also benefited from the sheer ingrained laziness of these slobs.  They sit around for months, scratching their rears, naming playgrounds after themselves and passing honorary resolutions for this and that.  Then in the last week, they get all heated up and push through the absolute most important bills, the ones that bring money to their coffers.

 

Our best shot?  Get the whole FOID thing tossed by the courts, before they get back in session. No other state has it and no one needs it.  Just one more thing these weasels can hold over our heads.



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Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:40 PM

OK, I admit to being jaded, from living in Illinois for too long. 

 

But ... IMHO, the only reason they didn't get the "Fix the FOID" crapola passed, is because; 1. They had bigger fish to fry and 2. They are lazy slobs. 

 

The Budget, Recreational Marijuana, Expanded Gambling/Chicago Casino and expanded Abortion bills were all higher profile and will result in much higher revenue streams (in their pockets) for these gangsters.

 

We also benefited from the sheer ingrained laziness of these slobs.  They sit around for months, scratching their rears, naming playgrounds after themselves and passing honorary resolutions for this and that.  Then in the last week, they get all heated up and push through the absolute most important bills, the ones that bring money to their coffers.

 

Our best shot?  Get the whole FOID thing tossed by the courts, before they get back in session. No other state has it and no one needs it.  Just one more thing these weasels can hold over our heads.

This makes me wonder

 

"Willis, the House sponsor, vowed to continue the fight to pass the legislation.

While I am disappointed I remain committed to continue to work over the summer with the stakeholders to return with a bill that will address the issues with the (FOID) system and make our state safer, Willis, a Democrat, said in a statement to the Tribune."

 

Why would Willis "return with a bill that will address the issues with the (FOID) system."  Assuming she really believes this one will, the only reason to create a new one, is because she doesn't see this one passing. 

 

Then again, alternative is she darn well knows this doesn't 'fix the foid'


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 01:38 PM

If they have purchase history for every FOID card holder, it that not defacto firearms registration? 

 

 

It is and allowed under a regulartory rules of the Brady Bill by states with their own system.

 

I posted about it in the Back Room after the Aurora, IL shooting.



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Posted 01 June 2019 - 02:25 PM

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to be out of ILLAnnoy.

 

Those of you who say, I wish I could leave, but I can't because of "yaddahyaddyyaddyyayd" BS.............You CAN leave. It's a choice.

 

It's not gonna get better there, folks.   Please either get out, or commit to a fight, or surrender.   Pick one.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 03:19 PM

I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad to be out of ILLAnnoy.

 

Those of you who say, I wish I could leave, but I can't because of "yaddahyaddyyaddyyayd" BS.............You CAN leave. It's a choice.

 

It's not gonna get better there, folks.   Please either get out, or commit to a fight, or surrender.   Pick one.

 

There are those of us who live on a low monthly income due to our health. It is very expensive to move any distance.  If there were a way to do it , I would already be gone. It is not a choice for some of us.

 

I will not surrender , I will continue to fight , and I will also continue to try and find a way to get out of this state.

 

ETA :  I am happy for the ones who have been able to get out of this state. It is the smart thing to do.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 03:35 PM

My wife has always been reluctant to move, and there is no real reason other than inertia. 

 

I believe when this pond scum gets around to taxing retirement benefits, and or course exempting their own salaries, that might get her attention. 

 

If it was just up to me, I would have left in mid-2014 when I retired. You can only push that stone up the hill for so long, before the stone beats you. 

 

This last election may be that time. I will continue the fight, for as long as I can't convince her to get off of this sinking garbage scow. 


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:30 PM

Kathleen Sances, president of the Gun Violence Prevention PAC, which was involved in drafting the legislation, is holding out hope the proposal will come for a vote before the Senate at a later date.
Proof that we have nothing but robots who rely on PACs to write bills. We dodnt elect PACs.

Bought and paid for by millionaire Bill Mcinerney. The fact that people not only want to but can buy your constitutional rights away is sickening.

Edited by chicagoresident, 01 June 2019 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:53 PM

 

Kathleen Sances, president of the Gun Violence Prevention PAC, which was involved in drafting the legislation, is holding out hope the proposal will come for a vote before the Senate at a later date.
Proof that we have nothing but robots who rely on PACs to write bills. We dodnt elect PACs.

Bought and paid for by millionaire Bill Mcinerney. The fact that people not only want to but can buy your constitutional rights away is sickening.

 

 

Exactly, Willis is far too stupid to have drafted this. Even the Gun Violence Prevention PAC isn't very smart or they wouldn't of had to amend the original bill twice. That was their downfall, they overreached and then tried to make it more palatable. Perhaps next time they will have an expert in constitutional law look over their bad bills first. The only one that was bought was Willis and her party in the house. Lets face it you only have to be slightly smarter then Brick Tamland from "Anchorman" ("I have an I.Q. of 48 and am what some people call mentally retarded.") to be a IL state representative from NE Illinois. Willis is pure proof of that.



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Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:37 PM

The accurate biometrics lobbiests were all over this. They're former Tom Dart and other Illinois gov agency stoolies so they knew exactly how much constitutional law they could violate and get away with.

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 07:54 PM

The accurate biometrics lobbiests were all over this. They're former Tom Dart and other Illinois gov agency stoolies so they knew exactly how much constitutional law they could violate and get away with.

With Accurate Biometrics taking a position of supporting the bill (correct me if wrong), I would never use them or recommend them to anyone.
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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:25 PM

If they have purchase history for every FOID card holder, it that not defacto firearms registration?

 
It is and allowed under a regulartory rules of the Brady Bill by states with their own system.
 
I posted about it in the Back Room after the Aurora, IL shooting.
I'd like to read that, send me the link.

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:28 PM

The accurate biometrics lobbiests were all over this. They're former Tom Dart and other Illinois gov agency stoolies so they knew exactly how much constitutional law they could violate and get away with.

With Accurate Biometrics taking a position of supporting the bill (correct me if wrong), I would never use them or recommend them to anyone.

No, they support it. It’s Dart’s people that are their lobbyists too

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 10:53 PM

Nobody really got into the casual racism being pushed out by these white suburban women. Few things are more discriminatory against people that have already been subjected to poverty due to institutional racism than having to pay to prove they have a right.

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 05:06 AM

I could of swore I wrote something about a trough.

I think I have been redacted.

Which I actually expected so no biggie.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 06:36 AM

I'd like to read that, send me the link. 

 

 

The links are in this topic.

 

http://illinoiscarry...topic=71321&hl=



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 01:27 PM

Nobody really got into the casual racism being pushed out by these white suburban women. Few things are more discriminatory against people that have already been subjected to poverty due to institutional racism than having to pay to prove they have a right.

Nope..but many fail to see how racist these white suburban women are...the abortion bill is a death sentenace to black kids still inside the womb....they are killing off the black kids just as Margaret Sanger fully intended to do with abortion....if only the media would do a few stories on Margaret Sanger...as it is these suburban white women and there politician supporters are no diffrent than the bull connor's of the world...they are racist wno just legalized the killing off of an entire race...not even the klan went as far as what JB and his people accomplished in springfield....hugs and kisses on the floor...what a fricking joke

Yes some of us are aware of the so called "casual racism"...problem is many refuse to see the truth behind what they are being told....first case of murdered women being pregnant that comes thru lets see if they only charge the perp with 1 murder and not 2...

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