HDUC10 Posted March 7, 2015 at 02:27 PM Share Posted March 7, 2015 at 02:27 PM My wife is finally getting around to getting her FOID. Completed the form and was about to mail. Now she'll wait for the online process to be available instead. A step in the right direction (if the FOID card must exist) and also getting rid of the digital ID. Kudos to all involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat44 Posted March 7, 2015 at 06:38 PM Share Posted March 7, 2015 at 06:38 PM So if we have FOID and CCL we will need to reregister on here? Hopefully it doesn't screw up any of our current cards.All it means is after the change a digital ID will not be needed.Your previous user name and ID won't work If you never wish to login again nothing will change. If you wish to use it again after the change see below. According to ISP, all new applicants and returning CCL applicants will need to register with the Illinois State Police by providing some key identifiers found on their Illinois Driver's License or Identification card, creating a username and password, and answering four security questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCroskey Posted March 7, 2015 at 11:49 PM Share Posted March 7, 2015 at 11:49 PM I'm going to be quietly optimistic about this. It is something I think we all wanted (short of ditching FOID entirely and full constitutional carry...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazzinbird Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:11 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:11 AM So here is my problem, my brother just moved here from California, and wants a foid card. I go to the ISP website and I can't even find one to download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:23 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:23 AM Yea they removed it because of this new method. I likely still actually have a copy of the PDF though if you really want it. Or of course you could possibly obtain one from a local police depot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:26 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:26 AM Yep I still have the FOID app PDF: Please note I'm not advising anything here (just providing the file).6-181x.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:31 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:31 AM It is a shame that the Amish are forced to violate religious beliefs by being forced to use technology such as a phone in order to exercise their right to bear arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:32 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:32 AM I say this because I read they will no longer accept apps beyond March 9. Now I'm left to wonder, does that mean just postmarked by March 9, or actually received by March 9? Yep I still have the FOID app PDF: Please note I'm not advising anything here (just providing the file). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazzinbird Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:53 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 01:53 AM Thanks man, I'll tell him to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted March 8, 2015 at 02:41 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 02:41 AM And of course, the online application is not already open..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted March 8, 2015 at 02:42 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 02:42 AM Thanks man, I'll tell him to wait.Yes the new way would seem to be a better way to go. "The CCL website will be unavailable beginning Friday, March 13, 2015, at 5 p.m., until Monday, March 16, 2015, at 7 a.m., in order to implement the new FOID system." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xd9subcompact Posted March 8, 2015 at 05:12 AM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 05:12 AM The department or redundancy department had a meeting and realized that they could create an application that essentially asks for the same information on a FCCL application and would still continue to charge the people for both.Then they decided to make the Amish go find a telephone if they too want exercise their rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka Posted March 8, 2015 at 12:10 PM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 12:10 PM So we are free from all those great JAVA nonsense? Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted March 8, 2015 at 08:41 PM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 08:41 PM It is a shame that the Amish are forced to violate religious beliefs by being forced to use technology such as a phone in order to exercise their right to bear arms. [/quote I don't think even the Old Order Amish have an objection to using a public phone, though how far they'd have to go to find a pay phone is a good question. I think their objection is to having a land line, just as it is for being on the electric grid. Some do have generators and generate their own power. Their interpretation of Second Corinthians 6:14 which says "Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship does light have with darkness" is different than most Christian theologians who would say that the passage applies to marriage, or maybe business partnerships not involving marrying a non-Christian or going into business with one, also education of children in public schools can be questioned as well. Most Amish also have their own grade schools. I am guessing that using someone elses phone or a public phone probably would be acceptable. I believe sometimes families will share a phone located outside their house. Given the number of telemarketer calls I get I can see some benefit to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted March 8, 2015 at 09:05 PM Share Posted March 8, 2015 at 09:05 PM It is a shame that the Amish are forced to violate religious beliefs by being forced to use technology such as a phone in order to exercise their right to bear arms.They have to use the phone and do paper because they can't do it online due to their exemption from having their picture taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglebob Posted March 9, 2015 at 02:59 AM Share Posted March 9, 2015 at 02:59 AM RacerDave6, Even when submitting a paper application you have to send a photo in with it. I expect they get an exemption to that. They may have an objection to using the internet. As I mentioned in my previous post Old Order Amish do use phones, but most won't have a land line phone or cell phone. That was confirmed by an article on Wikipedia titled Amish Life in the Modern World. The article said they used pay phones but since they are becoming less common sometimes several Amish families will share a phone in an out building mostly for making outgoing calls. It occurred to me that maybe in 20 years everyone but the Old Order Amish will be using cell phones and won't have a land line. Then the Old Order Amish will be the only ones interested in being on the land line. We have some New Order Amish living in our area. They have land line telephones, electricity and one I know of has a fax machine. None own cars but they have some very nice tractors they use on the highway pulling trailers (sometimes containing family) I also saw one talking on a bag cell phone in a farm store, I don't expect them to get into having an I-phone for a while though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted March 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM Share Posted March 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM I'm curious how this is going to be handled for juveniles. "Minors under the age of 21 without a state of Illinois Driver's License or Identification card and Amish applicants will be required to complete an alternative call-in paper application." I guess this means that a notary isn't required to obtain FOID's for children any longer? Maybe I'll try the new system for my kiddos. I wonder how this will impact getting FOIDs for small children. I know many on here have FOID cards for their very young children. I wonder if this call-in process will stop that. I think a FOID is helpful due to (720 ILCS 5/24-9) Sec. 24-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted March 9, 2015 at 06:12 PM Share Posted March 9, 2015 at 06:12 PM I know that's why I was thinking about applying today for my kids on paper app still. I don't want to be told "sorry sir your children aren't old enough" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:02 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 07:02 PM This is discrimination. It totally bites for those of us who are Hearing Impaired (me). What if someone has no computer, how are they supposed to do a phone interview? Do the electronic apps also require phone interview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted March 12, 2015 at 08:16 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 08:16 PM This is discrimination. It totally bites for those of us who are Hearing Impaired (me). What if someone has no computer, how are they supposed to do a phone interview? Do the electronic apps also require phone interview?Is TDD still use?Does ISP have a TDD #? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 12, 2015 at 08:57 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 08:57 PM RacerDave6, Even when submitting a paper application you have to send a photo in with it. I expect they get an exemption to that. They may have an objection to using the internet. As I mentioned in my previous post Old Order Amish do use phones, but most won't have a land line phone or cell phone. That was confirmed by an article on Wikipedia titled Amish Life in the Modern World. The article said they used pay phones but since they are becoming less common sometimes several Amish families will share a phone in an out building mostly for making outgoing calls. It occurred to me that maybe in 20 years everyone but the Old Order Amish will be using cell phones and won't have a land line. Then the Old Order Amish will be the only ones interested in being on the land line. We have some New Order Amish living in our area. They have land line telephones, electricity and one I know of has a fax machine. None own cars but they have some very nice tractors they use on the highway pulling trailers (sometimes containing family) I also saw one talking on a bag cell phone in a farm store, I don't expect them to get into having an I-phone for a while though. JB - what you are calling "New Order Amish", are those the same as the Mennonites? I know that those folks already use phones, cars, and electricity and they are/were based on the Amish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden Posted March 12, 2015 at 09:09 PM Share Posted March 12, 2015 at 09:09 PM This is discrimination. It totally bites for those of us who are Hearing Impaired (me). What if someone has no computer, how are they supposed to do a phone interview? Do the electronic apps also require phone interview?Is TDD still use?Does ISP have a TDD #? RD6: Thanks for the reply. I checked the ISP "Contact Info" nothing there regarding TDD. It is also outdated. TDD requires a land line. Who, has a land line these days? Not, me, but, I do have a TDD somewhere collecting dust. Thanks for bringing it up, now I wonder where it is. Maybe I can find some .22LR looking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cola490 Posted March 16, 2015 at 02:03 PM Share Posted March 16, 2015 at 02:03 PM I just went on the ISP site and went to the you do have to re register, it took about 5 minutes, then you sign into the CCL site and my info was there. No word abot Java. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted March 17, 2015 at 12:47 AM Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 12:47 AM @Molly B. - My wife tried to register tonight for a FOID, but she ran into a snag. She had a FOID years ago but has no record of the number at this point. In registration you are asked if you have or have ever had a FOID, but if you answer yes you can't continue without a number. Can you reach out to ISP and let them know about this? We also emailed ISP about it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibooey Posted March 17, 2015 at 12:57 AM Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 12:57 AM Wife just completed her FOID application. She has never had a FOID before so she didn't have HeavyDuty's problem. It was quite simple and painless actually. Spending 11 dollars (10 fee and 1 dollar for credit card fee) and having to get a FOID in the first place was not something we enjoyed but for now it is something we have to live with here in Illinois. Hopefully the turn around time will be much quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted March 17, 2015 at 02:57 AM Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 02:57 AM She didn't have to wait for her ID to process? My wife got a message that it would take three days before she could apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GcDm2010 Posted March 17, 2015 at 03:15 AM Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 03:15 AM It still charges a 2.35% or $1.00 minimum service fee. First, $11 is not what the law demands, and 2nd, service fees are generally prohibited in credit card agreements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted March 17, 2015 at 03:32 AM Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 03:32 AM Does anyone see the list of 4 approved non-resident states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted March 17, 2015 at 03:39 AM Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 03:39 AM Does anyone see the list of 4 approved non-resident states? Looks to me like the list didn't transfer over to the "Checklist Prior to Applying" pop-up information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted March 17, 2015 at 10:50 AM Share Posted March 17, 2015 at 10:50 AM I just registered and noticed my address appears as a hybrid of my current street address in IL, my city of legal residence in PA (which appears on my PA driver's license), and the IL zip code. Very strange. I emailed to see if ISP can correct this without having to pay the posted address change fee of $5. I think there is a coding error that pulls the city name from the corresponding field associated with the driver's license, and all other address info from fields in either the mailing address or the FOID card record. The coders may not have anticipated these could be different and therefore didn't catch the error during beta testing. Otherwise registration was very smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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