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#1 GSDlady

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 07:48 PM

Watch the video also -- police thank the permit holder.

 

https://wgntv.com/20...shot-near-i-55/



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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:32 PM

That's awesome good job  


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:37 PM

Incidents like this have been documented in many (if not most) states with CCW, and while they are rare, they outnumber the times that CCW holders have shot another CCW holder while shooting at a bad guy.

 

Yet which "example" got more press?


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:02 PM

WOW... Watched the vids and hope he is ok..



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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:23 PM

I can't believe they actually reported it. Kudos to a responsible citizen!

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:34 AM

http://www.foxnews.c...er-injured.html

 

“We were lucky enough to have a citizen on the street there’s who’s a concealed-carry holder, and he’s also engaged in gunfire,” said Cicero police Superintendent Jerry Chlada Jr.

 

“He got out and started helping the police, which is something I’ve got to be proud of,” Cicero town President Larry Dominick told the Sun-Times.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:51 AM

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:32 AM

I Love a good news story like this one!!! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:57 AM

Awesome story.  Glad the CC holder was there.  I assume since Chicago PD is going to handle the criminal investigation, the guy who shot the cop will be charged with aggravated jaywalking, and given a stern talking-to.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:33 AM

Hi,

It's refreshing to see that channel 2, and both the Tribune snd Sun Times, acknowledged the concealed carrier's role in this event.


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:32 AM

I expect this story to disappear fast.

 

For years the media has been telling the public that we'll shoot innocent bystanders or be shot by the police who can't tell who the criminal is, but it never seems to happen. 

 

When a story like this comes along they'll bury it as fast as they can.  But the cops on the street can tell a "good guy" from a "bad guy" and every story like this makes them more CCW friendly.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:40 AM

Move along...nothing to see here.

 

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:54 AM

A member of the Batavia City council predicted that CCL patrons would be shooting each other in Pal Joey’s

 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 11:56 AM

Maybe because a meatball came flying off a fork and landed in someones pasta fagioli ?

Edited by C0untZer0, 14 September 2018 - 11:57 AM.

 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
- N. A. Halkides -
 
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
- Daniel Webster -
 
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. 
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“Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

 


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 12:29 PM

Not a peep on the Cook County Sheriff Blog site or the 2nd City Cop Blog Site, Not important enough I guess!



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:03 PM

This has gotten a bunch of play locally and nationally.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:24 PM

Not a peep on the Cook County Sheriff Blog site or the 2nd City Cop Blog Site, Not important enough I guess!

It's up now.
http://secondcitycop...r-shot.html?m=1

Edited by spanishjames, 14 September 2018 - 01:24 PM.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:24 PM

Hi Dhan,

Second City Cop had it early this morning.


Friday, September 14, 2018
Cicero Officer Shot
Expected to recover:

A Cicero police officer was shot during an exchange of gunfire near the border between Chicago and the west suburb late Thursday afternoon that left a suspect in serious condition and at some point involved a citizen with a concealed carry license, authorities said.

The shootout happened near the Cicero exit on the Stevenson expressway around 5:05 p.m. during the evening rush hour commute, Cicero police said.

Cicero police officers tried to stop a vehicle for a traffic violation in the 3900 block of South Cicero Avenue when the driver took off, according to Cicero police superintendent Jerry Chlada, Jr.

Officers boxed the vehicle in on the southbound ramp of the Stevenson, Chlada said, and the male driver got out and fired multiple rounds at officers.

Officer Luis Duarte, 31, was hit multiple times, officials said. He was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital and his condition was stabilized.

The Chief over in Cicero was very appreciative of the assistance:

The alleged shooter then ran north on Cicero, and fired at another officer that chased him, Chlada said. A man with a concealed carry license driving south on Cicero in heavy traffic exited his vehicle and fired at the suspect, Chlada said.

“We were lucky enough to have a citizen on street that is a concealed carry holder and he engaged in gunfire with this offender who was struck one time,” Chlada said."

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 01:28 PM

Not a peep on the Cook County Sheriff Blog site or the 2nd City Cop Blog Site, Not important enough I guess!

Read Second City Cop again first story today. Followed by 21 comments so-far most mentioning CCW.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 04:38 PM

One of the posts on SSC says that Superintendent Eddie Johnson showed up at the CCL holders house to get the man’s gun. I find that highly doubtful. The CCL holder hasn’t been charged with anything, no one has any legal power to demand his firearm

 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
- N. A. Halkides -
 
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
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“Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

 


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:20 PM

One of the posts on SSC says that Superintendent Eddie Johnson showed up at the CCL holders house to get the mans gun.

I find that highly doubtful. The CCL holder hasnt been charged with anything, no one has any legal power to demand his firearm

I thought that was maybe satire/comedy perhaps based on other events by the supt.

Edited by InterestedBystander, 14 September 2018 - 05:52 PM.

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:44 PM

I believe the ISP is handling the investigation.
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Posted 14 September 2018 - 08:45 PM

I wonder how many police bother to get. a CCL. If they’re involved in a shooting and the department takes their firearm, I think the slag is that they’ve been “strpped” I’m not sure if this means they’ve temporarily been stripped of their police powers - so they’re no longer able to carry as a LEO ?

 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
- N. A. Halkides -
 
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
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The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. 
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“Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

 


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Posted 14 September 2018 - 10:17 PM

I wonder how many police bother to get. a CCL.

If they’re involved in a shooting and the department takes their firearm, I think the slag is that they’ve been “strpped” I’m not sure if this means they’ve temporarily been stripped of their police powers - so they’re no longer able to carry as a LEO ?

Unless they are suspended without pay or a similar policy for likely wrongdoing, they still have full police powers and get a replacement gun. When my guys were involved in shootings, I handed them my own pistol as a sign of good faith and support that they had done right, I had their back, and gave them a well functioning/ sighted in piece. I'd use a backup gun until they had their temporary pistol/ rifle secured and sighted in.
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Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:20 AM

And right on cue...

 

http://www.chicagotr...0914-story.html

 

"Concealed carry licensee called hero for intervening when man fires on police, but 'it could have gone the other way'"

 

 

These folks are so predictable - they even trot out an instructor to make their case:

 

David Lombardo is a concealed carry instructor who has trained more than 7,000 people to get their state licenses. Based on media accounts, Lombardo said that since the concealed carry holder wasn’t being shot at, “technically, he should not have been engaged.”

 

So, based on a scenario the reporters gave me; which may or may not be remotely close to the actual facts...

 

Dude should've just said "I don't know the facts, therefore I can't comment." He had to know his "analysis" would be used this way.

 

Whose judgement do you question more - CCW holder who assists police, or CCW Instructor who talks to the Tribune?



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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:18 AM

At first police were unsure if the perpetrator was shot by police gunfire or the CCL holder, but now they're reporting that the CCL fired upon the suspect hitting him once and ending the chase.


 

Mayor Bloomberg himself has recently turned his attention from oversize soft drinks to gun control, confirming the tendency of the Progressive to go from nanny to tyrant.
- N. A. Halkides -
 
“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” 
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The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. 
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“Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

 


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:36 AM

The instructor seems to have violated his own principles in that he has assumed the FCCL holder was ignorant of the circumstances around the shooter. If the FCCL holder witnessed the attempted murder of a police officer and the following flight and attempted murder of the second officer, then no additional knowledge of anything prior is relevant. From the quote, the attitude of the instructor would foreclose any action against any shooter unless the FCCL holder is being shot at even it doing so would save many innocent lives. I will give the instructor the benefit of the doubt that his comments as a whole were proper, and this soundbite was taken out of context. The decision to act in defense of a third party is a personal decision and should not be taught as part of a curriculum of non-involvement. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:41 AM

One of the posts on SSC says that Superintendent Eddie Johnson showed up at the CCL holders house to get the man’s gun. I find that highly doubtful. The CCL holder hasn’t been charged with anything, no one has any legal power to demand his firearm

 

Whether Eddie or another cop did I would be surprised if they did not. They would need the firearm to do ballistics tests to account for bullets, especially any recovered from within the perpetrator.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:57 AM

And right on cue...
 
http://www.chicagotr...0914-story.html
 
"Concealed carry licensee called hero for intervening when man fires on police, but 'it could have gone the other way'"
 
 
These folks are so predictable - they even trot out an instructor to make their case:
 
David Lombardo is a concealed carry instructor who has trained more than 7,000 people to get their state licenses. Based on media accounts, Lombardo said that since the concealed carry holder wasnt being shot at, technically, he should not have been engaged.
 
So, based on a scenario the reporters gave me; which may or may not be remotely close to the actual facts...
 
Dude should've just said "I don't know the facts, therefore I can't comment." He had to know his "analysis" would be used this way.
 
Whose judgement do you question more - CCW holder who assists police, or CCW Instructor who talks to the Tribune?

Who is this guy?

Edit - ok, the guys entire quote has a much different feel. That wasnt a very good selective quote, jrc905:

David Lombardo is a concealed carry instructor who has trained more than 7,000 people to get their state licenses. Based on media accounts, Lombardo said that since the concealed carry holder wasnt being shot at, technically, he should not have been engaged.

But, Lombardo added, speaking as a former part-time deputy and an ex-military guy, the (citizen) was an angel. He knew what he was doing, he got involved when he didnt have to and he saved the cops life. The bad guy could have hit somebody else too. So who knows how many lives (the citizen) saved?


Edited by HeavyDuty, 15 September 2018 - 08:04 AM.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 10:43 AM

"It could easily have gone the other way," says the idiot anti "expert" with no firearms, law enforcement or military training or experience. Based on what, "guns yucky???"




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