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#1 vito

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:35 PM

Illinois is not my favorite state and I could easily list all the things I dislike about living here. But I do appreciate the fact that I can legally carry a firearm for my own protection and the protection of any family members that are with me. Today a had a Zoom meeting with a few relatives, all of whom other than myself still live in NYC and the surrounding counties, and the difference between how they live and how I live really struck me. The conversation included one relative expressing real concern about the "protesters" and how they are being left pretty much unregulated by the city authorities and the police in their disruption of public places, and even when damaging public and private property, and how nothing short of serious violent crime seems to result in the police getting involved. This relative said how he is trying hard to avoid being outside of his home, even now when the pandemic has really eased up in that city, and that he really worries for his grand kids who live in NYC and are getting out more and more as the summer progresses. I mentioned that while we have had little of that violence here in Rockford, IL where I live, there has been some but that since I never leave the house unarmed I feel less concerned with my safety than I would if I were forced to remain unarmed. The group from NYC went into a stunned silence at first, and then one of my cousins asked "you mean you actually walk around with a loaded gun? Don't you worry about being stopped by the police? Aren't you worried that the gun might go off and kill some innocent person or injure yourself?" I'll admit I laughed first and then said, "no, I am not worried about the police because my carrying a gun is perfectly legal as long as I don't go into a prohibited place, and no, I am not at all worried that my gun will suddenly start shooting all by itself as it it has a mind of its own". My nephew seemed incredulous and said that he could not even imagine owning a gun of any kind, let alone carrying a loaded gun during normal life. He said owning a gun would put his teenage kids at risk, and "what if I had a big fight with my wife and got really made at her?". I answered that  if getting mad really scares him as to what he might do, I hope he has no knives or other potential weapons in his house. He said he doesn't worry like that, but "if it were a gun in the house, well then.....". As this Zoom call ended I found that I was truly grateful that I live where I do, at least from the viewpoint of being able to address my own safety and security, and not still living where I grew up, in a city where normal, average, law abiding people have no choice other than to be vulnerable and pretty much defenseless. 


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Posted 29 June 2020 - 02:57 PM

Hate to say it but one bad situation for any of them might be the eye opener to invest in a gun.  Sad that that is what it takes.  I've had a couple lib friends recently inquire that previously were rabid anti.


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Posted 29 June 2020 - 04:13 PM

Thanks for the post.



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Posted 29 June 2020 - 04:16 PM

I take it the NYC relatives wouldn't even think about leaving the confines of civilization...i.e. east of the Hudson river and close enough to the sea to smell the ocean. It's a pity no one ever told them they don't need a visa or passport to visit the rest of America. 

 

Invite the family out to see the midwest, a few at a time. Opening their eyes might be enjoyable, if not entertaining. If nothing else, take them to a range some Sunday, and be sure to take pictures......or not. 

 

You're right, Illinois isn't perfect, but it's a few steps up the ladder of sensibility above New York and NYC.



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Posted 29 June 2020 - 05:39 PM

and that is why NY is DOOMED, And nobody will notice when they are gone.



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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:01 PM

Growing up in Brooklyn, NY I understand the sensibilities of people who live there. They truly believe that they are at the center of the universe, and most cannot even imagine living anywhere else. Even those that are world travelers, rarely do they ever reach the conclusion that maybe life elsewhere would be worthwhile. I was one of those people for the first 22 years of my life. I turned down a major job opportunity when I was graduating college, as one of three who were offered a position in a management training program (they started by interviewing over 800 college seniors at various colleges in the NY area and offered the job to three of us). But when I found out that the job meant relocating to Cincinnati for at least three years I turned the job down. It was literally inconceivable that I would have to live outside NYC. But a year later my obligated military service began, with the Army sending me as a new Lieutenant, to El Paso, TX. While it seemed that this was the literal end of the earth at the time, after awhile I started to see the light. After three years in El Paso I not only decided to stay longer in the military, but had decided that there truly was quality life outside NYC. Most of my family could not comprehend at the time that I was both choosing to not return to NY and choosing to make a career in the military. Now, those still in NY think of me as the crazy uncle that lives in IL, owns guns, supports Trump, and most astounding of all to most of these relatives, is a Life member of the NRA (they think the NRA is some type of evil entity affiliated with the devil, personally). When I tell them that my few visits to NYC feel like I am leaving America and entering a foreign, and hostile country, they look at me as if I were already lost to humanity. 


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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:17 PM



 When I tell them that my few visits to NYC feel like I am leaving America and entering a foreign, and hostile country, they look at me as if I were already lost to humanity. 

 

 

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:28 PM

What if I got really mad at my wife? And you’d think about shooting her?
But you wouldn’t think about using a knife or maybe a ball bat and cave her head in?

Someone needs professional anger help if they are thinking such stuff, imho
Can’t imagine getting that mad at my wife......

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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:42 PM

A friend from NYC is going through cognitive dissonance now.  For many years he was known saying that the rest of NY State was nothing without NYC. Of course he had no concept that the rest of NY state sees Gotham City as a crime-infested monster that demands constant feeding.

 

This year, the behavior of AOC, DiBlasio, Cuomo, and Schumer have him eating crow. But he can't leave for fly-over country without the wife and grand kids agreeing. 


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:12 AM

I have no desire to live in New York City, but I googled the murder rate for St. Louis and Chicago and found the rate for other cities of 100k, or more and once site said the rate for NYC was now less than the national average, according to one website's findings.  Which is about 5 homicides per 100,000.  Chicago is 24 per 100,000.  NYC has really dropped apparently unless someone is fudging on the numbers. St. Louis is something like 96 per 100K.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:28 AM

I have no desire to live in New York City, but I googled the murder rate for St. Louis and Chicago and found the rate for other cities of 100k, or more and once site said the rate for NYC was now less than the national average, according to one website's findings.  Which is about 5 homicides per 100,000.  Chicago is 24 per 100,000.  NYC has really dropped apparently unless someone is fudging on the numbers. St. Louis is something like 96 per 100K.

 

Rates that you found do not reflect 2020 data, and might not even reflect 2019 data. The news said that the murder rate in 2020 has increased almost 400% over 2019 for NYC. 

 

Ironically, NYC had the highest rate of violent crime in the nation in the 1970's and '80's and voters seemed to be totally fed up with the Democrats running that city. They elected a Republican, Rudy Guliani in 1994 and he began the successful effort to clean up the crime ridden city. He served until 2001 when the voters apparently took the now safe condition of the city for granted, and went back to electing liberal Democrats. Guliani's methods and ideas have been ended, for the most part, and decried as racist and "unfair" and now NYC is becoming a shithole again. Maybe voters will get so fed up with Diblasio that they will actually turn to a Republican again, but I doubt it. The mentality of people in NYC is hard to fathom. Just recently, AOC received over 70% of the primary vote for her seat in Congress when running against a slightly less radical Democrat for the nomination for that office. If the voters like AOC, I can understand why they seem to think Diblasio is a good mayor. 


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 11:48 AM

Vito where did you find a 400% increase in killings in NYC?  I did see an article from NY daily news on June 15 that said there were 38 compared to 19 in the same 4 week period last year.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 12:59 PM

A friend from NYC is going through cognitive dissonance now.  For many years he was known saying that the rest of NY State was nothing without NYC. Of course he had no concept that the rest of NY state sees Gotham City as a crime-infested monster that demands constant feeding.......... 


Hmmm, sounds like some folks from a large metro area in this state.......
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Posted 30 June 2020 - 02:45 PM

I don't have a cite for the 400% increase. I was something I heard on the NBC network news a few days ago. Maybe it was 378% rather than 400% but that was the ballpark of the increase that they noted. 


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 02:53 PM

This is probably the story that stated the 400% increase:  https://www.newsday....ease-1.46044819

 

One week may be overstating the actual problem but crime in NYC has certainly increased significantly.

 

My opinion is that the increase in Chicago, NYC and elsewhere is a combination of the huge early release of prisoners, the automatic catch and release of people arrested this year,the usual gang disputes over drug territory, and the large amount of stolen goods on the street from the looting that is giving rise to disputes during sales transactions.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 03:54 PM

And might the police in these cities be backing off a bit due to all the hate being aimed at them? I think that might be a real factor in letting the gang bangers think that they can act with impunity. 


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