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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:14 PM

Kyle Kashuv says school security questioned him for visiting gun range with his dad

Kyle Kashuv, a student at the Florida high school where 17 people were killed in a February mass shooting, has claimed that school security officers pulled him out of class and questioned him Monday after Kashuv tweeted about visiting a gun range with his father.
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It was great learning about our inalienable right of #2A and how to properly use a gun. This was my first time ever touching a gun and it made me appreciate the #Constitution even more. My instructor was very informative; I learnt a lot. #2A is important and we need 2 preserve 2A

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"First, they began berating my tweet, although neither of them had read it; then they began aggressively asking questions about who I went to the range with, whose gun we used, about my father, etc. They were incredibly condescending and rude," Kashuv said.

At that point, Kashuv claims, a Broward County sheriff's officer joined them, "and began asking me the same questions again."
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Eventually, Kashuv said the officers let him go and told him they'd contact his parents. It was not immediately clear if Kashuv's parents had been contacted Monday evening.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 04:27 AM

Odd...I guess someone showed the Sheriff's Dept where the doors to the school are. A few weeks ago they couldn't remember.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 07:49 AM

While I keep hearing how most law enforcement officer support concealed carry as well as the 2A in general, I also keep reading about incidents like this where just showing interest in the shooting sports, or wearing an NRA or gun related item of clothing, makes you a person of suspicion by law enforcement. I think what this young man was subject to was outrageous and I'm hoping that his family files a lawsuit claiming emotional damage against the school and the individual officers involved in the incident. 


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 08:07 AM

While I keep hearing how most law enforcement officer support concealed carry as well as the 2A in general, I also keep reading about incidents like this where just showing interest in the shooting sports, or wearing an NRA or gun related item of clothing, makes you a person of suspicion by law enforcement. I think what this young man was subject to was outrageous and I'm hoping that his family files a lawsuit claiming emotional damage against the school and the individual officers involved in the incident.


Occurs to me if you get stuck as the 'school resource officer' you're not exactly one of the hot runners at the police department

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 08:43 AM

Too bad for all the victims at the school they weren't this interested before the tragedy.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:01 AM

Odd...I guess someone showed the Sheriff's Dept where the doors to the school are. A few weeks ago they couldn't remember.

 

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:43 AM

 

While I keep hearing how most law enforcement officer support concealed carry as well as the 2A in general, I also keep reading about incidents like this where just showing interest in the shooting sports, or wearing an NRA or gun related item of clothing, makes you a person of suspicion by law enforcement. I think what this young man was subject to was outrageous and I'm hoping that his family files a lawsuit claiming emotional damage against the school and the individual officers involved in the incident.


Occurs to me if you get stuck as the 'school resource officer' you're not exactly one of the hot runners at the police department

 

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 11:51 AM

After the parkland shooting, Florida passed a gun seizure (order of protection) law. It seems like the school security officers and a sheriff's deputy basically used that law to target the kid. But think about what they asked him.
  • What guns do you have?
  • Whom do you know who has guns?
  • What guns do they have?
So under a pretense of investigating whether someone is a danger, authorities who aren't even police (the school security officers are "rent-a-cops," not municipal cops or sheriff's deputies) are going on a warrant-less fishing expedition to essentially create a gun registry. Most objections to order of protection laws have been based on the 6th Amendment. It seems Parkland school officials are actively using it to abridge the 4th Amendment, too.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:11 PM

After the parkland shooting, Florida passed a gun seizure (order of protection) law. It seems like the school security officers and a sheriff's deputy basically used that law to target the kid. But think about what they asked him.

  • What guns do you have?
  • Whom do you know who has guns?
  • What guns do they have?
So under a pretense of investigating whether someone is a danger, authorities who aren't even police (the school security officers are "rent-a-cops," not municipal cops or sheriff's deputies) are going on a warrant-less fishing expedition to essentially create a gun registry. Most objections to order of protection laws have been based on the 6th Amendment. It seems Parkland school officials are actively using it to abridge the 4th Amendment, too.

 

Maybe.  They were definitely using it to scare a very outspoken student against Hogg and gang and the Administration.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 01:08 PM

Lawsuit, plain and simple.



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 03:38 PM

I hope he knew to clam up and say nothing.



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 03:45 PM

I hope he knew to clam up and say nothing.


I'd bet he sang. He was a kid getting intimidated by three adults in positions of authority. I wouldn't fault him for it. I fault them. I know there are people on here who think differently, but I don't think we should have to teach our kids not to trust cops.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 05:49 PM

I don't think he had anything bad to say. He went with his father to the range where they rented a gun and took lessons from an instructor. That's pretty solid in my book.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 05:58 PM

I don't think he had anything bad to say. He went with his father to the range where they rented a gun and took lessons from an instructor. That's pretty solid in my book.

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Nothing to "sing" about regarding an innocent trip to the range with your dad.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:07 PM

More proof that pubic* schools are nothing but indoctrination centers for LWW-ism.   Dare to have a different thought and here come the authorities. 

 

 

 

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:09 PM

Kyle on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:17 PM

I don't think he had anything bad to say. He went with his father to the range where they rented a gun and took lessons from an instructor. That's pretty solid in my book.

 

In today's hysterical climate, how many cops would love to be the next "hero" for arresting some teenager that he says was about to shoot up a school, when all that really happened was the kid admitted to the cop that he liked to go to the range, that we was a pretty good shot, and that he just loved shooting his dad's AR? In general, the police obligation is to solve cases by making an arrest, not determining guilt or innocence. What you say might well be twisted and taken out of context or otherwise used to justify an arrest, especially if it is after a heinous crime has been committed. When my kids were younger, and we were a straight laced law abiding family, I told my kids that if ever, ever they were asked to talk with a police officer they should politely say no, until one of their parent's or a lawyer was present. I said if the officer says the Miranda warning is "just a formality for anyone they talk to" that the officer is lying, that they are a suspect, and they should say absolutely nothing and ask for an attorney. Years later, when one of my son's was an LEO, he admitted that I was correct in what I advised him and his siblings, but that if everyone did that it would be hard to solve any crimes. 


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 08:49 PM

 

I don't think he had anything bad to say. He went with his father to the range where they rented a gun and took lessons from an instructor. That's pretty solid in my book.

 

In today's hysterical climate, how many cops would love to be the next "hero" for arresting some teenager that he says was about to shoot up a school, when all that really happened was the kid admitted to the cop that he liked to go to the range, that we was a pretty good shot, and that he just loved shooting his dad's AR? In general, the police obligation is to solve cases by making an arrest, not determining guilt or innocence. What you say might well be twisted and taken out of context or otherwise used to justify an arrest, especially if it is after a heinous crime has been committed. When my kids were younger, and we were a straight laced law abiding family, I told my kids that if ever, ever they were asked to talk with a police officer they should politely say no, until one of their parent's or a lawyer was present. I said if the officer says the Miranda warning is "just a formality for anyone they talk to" that the officer is lying, that they are a suspect, and they should say absolutely nothing and ask for an attorney. Years later, when one of my son's was an LEO, he admitted that I was correct in what I advised him and his siblings, but that if everyone did that it would be hard to solve any crimes. 

 

Vito, thank you for helping me decide how to address this issue if my daughter is ever questioned by police or authority figures.  She became very mad when my wife suggested she  not wear her Wilson Combat cap to school.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:11 PM

Kid should have demanded that his parents be present before any questioning and if not them, a lawyer. This was a intimidation and a fishing expedition. They wanted to be able to claim they are doing something



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:27 PM

Nothing to "sing" about regarding an innocent trip to the range with your dad.


Considering ho much they grilled him, I'd bet they asked about more than one range trip.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:44 PM

 

While I keep hearing how most law enforcement officer support concealed carry as well as the 2A in general, I also keep reading about incidents like this where just showing interest in the shooting sports, or wearing an NRA or gun related item of clothing, makes you a person of suspicion by law enforcement. I think what this young man was subject to was outrageous and I'm hoping that his family files a lawsuit claiming emotional damage against the school and the individual officers involved in the incident.


Occurs to me if you get stuck as the 'school resource officer' you're not exactly one of the hot runners at the police department

 

 

Around here it's the guys a few years away from 20 & out.  They've pulled their weight on the street.  They get rewarded with what is comparably a cake job, years of down & dirty inner ring suburb of Chicago experience.  They learn to read people over many years, translates well to reading the troubled kid.  Easier on the body, uses the mind as an asset.     



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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:33 PM

Kyle on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

Tucker and Kyle both did a great job.  Tremendous poise  for a teenager under pressure.  I suspect he did just fine with those bully cops. 

 

Scott Israel, the Sheriff of Broward County, is under ferocious attack from his own deputies.  This may put a nail, if not the nail, in his professional coffin.

 

Bye Bye Scott!    All  he's done in handling a tragic shooting was to introduce cowardice, confusion, and misleading conclusions into the psyche of a terrorized local citizenry. And beyond that, he helped rile up half the country with fake news and a phony agenda that caught fire with Emma and Hogg.

 

We haven't heard the last of the Sheriff.   I predict he's got some very tough days ahead, and will need some damn good lawyers.  Stay tuned.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:47 PM

We haven't heard the last of the Sheriff.


It's kind of off-topic for the thread, but I'd hate to think this security footage is indicative of the level of training of the entire sheriff's office.

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 12:37 AM

"Kashuv said the officers declined to let him record the interview, but told him he hadn’t done anything wrong."

based on the quote above they had no legal authority to to confine him in that room and terrorize him in fact by confining and terrorizing him they committed What is legally defined as kidnapping under Florida law below and they demonstrated the required intent to terrorize by the terrorizing him.

It may be possible that they interfered with a government function as well by disrupting his Kyle's education.

The pertinent language that seems to apply below is bold.

Florida defines the crime of kidnapping as the confinement, abduction, or imprisonment of another person against her or his will. The kidnapping must be committed "forcibly, secretly, or by threat" and without lawful authority. Furthermore, the person committing the crime must have the intent to:

  • hold the kidnapped person for ransom or reward, or as a shield or hostage;
  • commit or facilitate the commission of any felony;
  • inflict bodily harm upon or terrorize the victim or another person; or
  • interfere with the performance of any governmental or political function.

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 01:10 AM

Kid should have demanded that his parents be present before any questioning and if not them, a lawyer. This was a intimidation and a fishing expedition. They wanted to be able to claim they are doing something

That's how it always happens

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 08:55 AM

This is what tyranny looks like. If nonesense like this is allowed to continue, it won’t be long before the gestapo are showing up at your house in the middle of the night for an “offensive Facebook meme”

Don’t believe me? It’s already happening in EU/UK. Just look at Count Dankula, or any of the other cases that have actually been reported.
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Posted 25 April 2018 - 09:05 AM

 

Kid should have demanded that his parents be present before any questioning and if not them, a lawyer. This was a intimidation and a fishing expedition. They wanted to be able to claim they are doing something

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Fishing was secondary.  It was an intimidation exercise.  According to Kyle they kept referring to him as the Pro 2A Kid.  He has been VERY outspoken nationally, on media, etc against both the Sherriff and the school Administration and their policies that allowed the shooting to happen.  They are trying to shut him up via intimidation.  


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 10:34 AM

This is what tyranny looks like. 

 

This bears repeating.  

 

Yes, this is EXACTLY what tyranny looks like.  Government showing up to intimidate anyone who believes in freedom.



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Posted 25 April 2018 - 11:56 AM

This is what tyranny looks like.

 
This bears repeating.  
 
Yes, this is EXACTLY what tyranny looks like.  Government showing up to intimidate anyone who believes in freedom.

Disturbing how many people shrug it off, or flat out call it a conspiracy. The smallest battles can make the biggest difference.
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Posted 25 April 2018 - 02:21 PM

I guess we know how Kashuv's college education and nest egg is being paid for. Lawsuit!


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