MrMonarch Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:14 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:14 PM Will the CFP class still count for something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:32 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:32 PM What about the high school diploma requirement?Does it have to be in a sealed envelope from the school district or will an already opened copy work? I'm going to assume sealed envelope from the school district. MattHigh school diploma requirement for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03rev Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:38 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:38 PM I hope they post some guidelines soon. I found someone to do my electronic prints, now I just need to know how and who to submit them to. I need to know where this place is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:40 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:40 PM Yes, per the FCCA, 8 hrs must be Illinois FCCA specific. I'm going to ask a dumb question...Can one get these Live Scan prints done today and "save" them somehow to be submitted later? Here is a (probably outdated) list of PD's that use Live Scan: http://www2.illinois...ies11.08.10.pdf I asked my Sheriff's department about that and the answer I got was there isn't a "file or folder" to store or transmit the prints yet. I'm no live scan expert, but the way I understood, there has to be a category created to file the prints into...like teachers or felons, etc. That is apparently coming, but isn't in "the system" yet. Can they move from one folder to another? Copy/paste? I have been printed for my career multiple times, but it was always done with ink prints... What did your Sheriff say they charged? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:41 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:41 PM Yes, per the FCCA, 8 hrs must be Illinois FCCA specific. I'm going to ask a dumb question...Can one get these Live Scan prints done today and "save" them somehow to be submitted later? Here is a (probably outdated) list of PD's that use Live Scan: http://www2.illinois.gov/prb/Documents/lsagencies11.08.10.pdf Yes, that would be possible; however, the live scan vendor would have no idea what to charge you. So it is possible, just not practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:45 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:45 PM What about the high school diploma requirement?Does it have to be in a sealed envelope from the school district or will an already opened copy work? I'm going to assume sealed envelope from the school district. MattHigh school diploma requirement for what?To be an instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadN. Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:46 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:46 PM Will the CFP class still count for something? I'd like to know this as well, glad someone else asked lol. Been searching for anything regarding the CFP class going to the 16 hours of training (I've had Utah CCW, FL CCW, and CFP as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:52 PM Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 01:52 PM What about the high school diploma requirement?Does it have to be in a sealed envelope from the school district or will an already opened copy work? I'm going to assume sealed envelope from the school district. Matt I'm thinking more along the lines of a yes/no check box or a line for school/town/year. Just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNS&LAWYERS Posted August 23, 2013 at 02:12 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 02:12 PM Yes, per the FCCA, 8 hrs must be Illinois FCCA specific. I'm going to ask a dumb question...Can one get these Live Scan prints done today and "save" them somehow to be submitted later? Here is a (probably outdated) list of PD's that use Live Scan: http://www2.illinois...ies11.08.10.pdf I asked my Sheriff's department about that and the answer I got was there isn't a "file or folder" to store or transmit the prints yet. I'm no live scan expert, but the way I understood, there has to be a category created to file the prints into...like teachers or felons, etc. That is apparently coming, but isn't in "the system" yet. Can they move from one folder to another? Copy/paste? I have been printed for my career multiple times, but it was always done with ink prints... What did your Sheriff say they charged? $15 is their charge for doing the print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted August 23, 2013 at 03:31 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 03:31 PM $15 is their charge for doing the print. Is that McLean Co? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted August 23, 2013 at 04:34 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 04:34 PM Yes, per the FCCA, 8 hrs must be Illinois FCCA specific. I'm going to ask a dumb question...Can one get these Live Scan prints done today and "save" them somehow to be submitted later? Here is a (probably outdated) list of PD's that use Live Scan: http://www2.illinois...ies11.08.10.pdf I asked my Sheriff's department about that and the answer I got was there isn't a "file or folder" to store or transmit the prints yet. I'm no live scan expert, but the way I understood, there has to be a category created to file the prints into...like teachers or felons, etc. That is apparently coming, but isn't in "the system" yet. Can they move from one folder to another? Copy/paste? I have been printed for my career multiple times, but it was always done with ink prints... What did your Sheriff say they charged? Here is the issue with police departments doing livescan for CCW.. Right now, they do it for criminal justice authorities (no fees to them). We do it for our local school hires but they pay the cost. There is a "paycode" associated with the local agency needs to have in order to submit prints to when it's not for criminal justice purposes. This means the agencies will have to make that purchase in order to submit for CCW. That cost would be passed on to the consumer. My guess is many agencies will deny requests for this or some will see this as a money maker and do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatty Posted August 23, 2013 at 05:58 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 05:58 PM I'm assuming the fingerprint requirement will only apply to the instructors and not anyone else?Molly, was the fingerprint requirement (by administrative regulation) only applicable to instructors or is ISP also planning on forcing all applicants to get fingerprinted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:04 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:04 PM I'm assuming the fingerprint requirement will only apply to the instructors and not anyone else?Molly, was the fingerprint requirement (by administrative regulation) only applicable to instructors or is ISP also planning on forcing all applicants to get fingerprinted? I'm not Molly, but if the ISP requires all applicants to submit fingerprints, they would be violating the FCCA. The law says that fingerprints are optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatty Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:14 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:14 PM I'm assuming the fingerprint requirement will only apply to the instructors and not anyone else?Molly, was the fingerprint requirement (by administrative regulation) only applicable to instructors or is ISP also planning on forcing all applicants to get fingerprinted? I'm not Molly, but if the ISP requires all applicants to submit fingerprints, they would be violating the FCCA. The law says that fingerprints are optional.The language in the Act is the following: (8) a full set of fingerprints submitted to theDepartment in electronic format, provided the Departmentmay accept an application submitted without a set offingerprints in which case the Department shall be granted30 days in addition to the 90 days provided undersubsection (e) of Section 10 of this Act to issue or deny alicense; Notice the use of the term "may." That means it is completely up to the discretion of ISP whether or not it wants to accept applications without fingerprints. If the phrase "shall accept" had been used in place of "may accept" then ISP would be forced to accept applications without fingerprints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:17 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:17 PM We'd have to go back to legislative intent. This was discussed with Rep. Phelps as fingerprints are supposed to be optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSharp Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:28 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:28 PM Here is the issue with police departments doing livescan for CCW.. Right now, they do it for criminal justice authorities (no fees to them). We do it for our local school hires but they pay the cost. There is a "paycode" associated with the local agency needs to have in order to submit prints to when it's not for criminal justice purposes. This means the agencies will have to make that purchase in order to submit for CCW. That cost would be passed on to the consumer. My guess is many agencies will deny requests for this or some will see this as a money maker and do it. The pay code is an issue. I spoke with someone at my local sheriffs office this AM and while they can do electronic submissions he told me 'he didn't think they had a code to submit them to the ISP for this purpose.' He sent me to District 21 who said they can't do it but the investigator there gave me a different name to call at my local sheriffs office. Of course she's out until Monday... I can say the investigator at District 21 was really helpful. Honestly I feel for the rank and file in ISP right now. They're obviously inundated with information requests about CCW but it doesn't appear they've been given much more to work with than we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:56 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 06:56 PM Here is the issue with police departments doing livescan for CCW.. Right now, they do it for criminal justice authorities (no fees to them). We do it for our local school hires but they pay the cost. There is a "paycode" associated with the local agency needs to have in order to submit prints to when it's not for criminal justice purposes. This means the agencies will have to make that purchase in order to submit for CCW. That cost would be passed on to the consumer. My guess is many agencies will deny requests for this or some will see this as a money maker and do it. I work in the securities (investment type of securities) business and have been finger printed twice. Both times a local PD did it. The first time, a few years ago, I paid nothing and they were used to it for teachers. The more recent time, in a larger community PD, it cost like $20 and the person doing the prints had never done ink and paper prints before... I know this may not be relevant, since it was ink and live scan, but my point is that PDs have been doing prints for non-criminal justice reasons for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted August 23, 2013 at 07:01 PM Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 07:01 PM I'm assuming the fingerprint requirement will only apply to the instructors and not anyone else?Molly, was the fingerprint requirement (by administrative regulation) only applicable to instructors or is ISP also planning on forcing all applicants to get fingerprinted?The requirement is for instructors only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cshipley92 Posted August 23, 2013 at 07:03 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 07:03 PM I spoke with Sheriff Duvendack of Morgan County a few minutes ago. He said the law making them get a vendor's license was changed and they can now offer fingerprinting services to citizens and will for CCW applications in the near future. Public Act 098-0294 SB1853 Enrolled LRB098 08596 MGM 38713 b AN ACT concerning regulation. Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, represented in the General Assembly: Section 5. The Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, Fingerprint Vendor, and Locksmith Act of 2004 is amended by changing Section 31-5 as follows: (225 ILCS 447/31-5) (Section scheduled to be repealed on January 1, 2014) Sec. 31-5. Exemptions. The provisions of this Act regarding fingerprint vendors do not apply to any of the following, if the person performing the service does not hold himself or herself out as a fingerprint vendor or fingerprint vendor agency: (1) An employee of the United States, Illinois, or a political subdivision, including public school districts, of either while the employee is engaged in the performance of his or her official duties within the scope of his or her employment. However, any such person who offers his or her services as a fingerprint vendor or uses a similar title when these services are performed for compensation or other consideration, whether received directly or indirectly, is subject to this Act. (2) A person employed exclusively by only one employer in connection with the exclusive activities of that employer, provided that person does not hold himself or herself out to the public as a fingerprint vendor. (3) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this Act, any member of local law enforcement in the performance of his or her duties. Nothing in this Act shall prohibit local law enforcement agencies from charging a reasonable fee related to the cost of offering fingerprinting services. (Source: P.A. 95-613, eff. 9-11-07.) Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon becoming law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted August 23, 2013 at 07:59 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 07:59 PM I spoke with Sheriff Duvendack of Morgan County a few minutes ago. He said the law making them get a vendor's license was changed and they can now offer fingerprinting services to citizens and will for CCW applications in the near future. Public Act 098-0294 SB1853 Enrolled LRB098 08596 MGM 38713 b AN ACT concerning regulation. Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, represented in the General Assembly: Section 5. The Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, Fingerprint Vendor, and Locksmith Act of 2004 is amended by changing Section 31-5 as follows: (225 ILCS 447/31-5) (Section scheduled to be repealed on January 1, 2014) Sec. 31-5. Exemptions. The provisions of this Act regarding fingerprint vendors do not apply to any of the following, if the person performing the service does not hold himself or herself out as a fingerprint vendor or fingerprint vendor agency: (1) An employee of the United States, Illinois, or a political subdivision, including public school districts, of either while the employee is engaged in the performance of his or her official duties within the scope of his or her employment. However, any such person who offers his or her services as a fingerprint vendor or uses a similar title when these services are performed for compensation or other consideration, whether received directly or indirectly, is subject to this Act. (2) A person employed exclusively by only one employer in connection with the exclusive activities of that employer, provided that person does not hold himself or herself out to the public as a fingerprint vendor. (3) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this Act, any member of local law enforcement in the performance of his or her duties. Nothing in this Act shall prohibit local law enforcement agencies from charging a reasonable fee related to the cost of offering fingerprinting services. (Source: P.A. 95-613, eff. 9-11-07.) Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon becoming law. So in short, they are going to allow police departments/sheriff's to print using livescan without this additional expense? If that's true, they need to send it out to livescan agencies and tell them how to do it etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cshipley92 Posted August 23, 2013 at 08:07 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 08:07 PM I'm not sure how that's all going to shake out and neither was Sheriff Duvendack. I see him occasionally out and about and talk to him several times a month. As the day gets closer and they finalize plans for here I'll let you know what he says. I'd contact my local Sheriff's office/PD and see if they have live scan capability and find out what their plans regarding printing for CCW are. If they don't have any perhaps your call would get them to thinking along that lines so they aren't swamped and trying to play catch up later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted August 23, 2013 at 08:15 PM Share Posted August 23, 2013 at 08:15 PM I'm not sure how that's all going to shake out and neither was Sheriff Duvendack. I see him occasionally out and about and talk to him several times a month. As the day gets closer and they finalize plans for here I'll let you know what he says. I'd contact my local Sheriff's office/PD and see if they have live scan capability and find out what their plans regarding printing for CCW are. If they don't have any perhaps your call would get them to thinking along that lines so they aren't swamped and trying to play catch up later. Right. I work for a local agency and we heard nothing yet. That's part of why I was asking. I am sure something will come down the pipeline from the County or State..sooner the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daltongang Posted August 24, 2013 at 01:53 AM Share Posted August 24, 2013 at 01:53 AM Hunter Safety still counts for 8 hours right?U.S. Army also? sent from my electronic carrier pigeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted August 24, 2013 at 02:01 AM Share Posted August 24, 2013 at 02:01 AM . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted August 24, 2013 at 02:07 AM Share Posted August 24, 2013 at 02:07 AM They also need to create a specific address to have the livescans sent. DNR's Mines and Minerals has such an address to be used when you get your blaster's ticket, and the ISBE has a similar one for teachers and school employees. I assume ISP would want a different one for CCW folks than criminals... even if we are considered on the same level by certain political appointees within that agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stIDPFC Posted August 24, 2013 at 02:07 AM Share Posted August 24, 2013 at 02:07 AM . lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigcelia Posted August 24, 2013 at 04:40 AM Share Posted August 24, 2013 at 04:40 AM Hunter Safety still counts for 8 hours right?U.S. Army also? sent from my electronic carrier pigeon Yes, 8 hours.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xd9subcompact Posted August 24, 2013 at 09:18 PM Share Posted August 24, 2013 at 09:18 PM They are wanting names of anyone who is presenting themselves as pre-approved, or saying their class is IL certified - they will fine them and if they are ISP they will also be disciplined. And Metro Shooting Supplies in the STL area (including in Belleville, IL) is advertising on the radio in the STL market that they are offering CCW courses that will give credit for 8 of the 16 hours required in IL, and that their instructors are approved since they are NRA certified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vern Posted August 26, 2013 at 03:31 AM Share Posted August 26, 2013 at 03:31 AM MollyAny word yet on if the 40 hour armed security guard class will pass or not?Thank YouVern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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