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#1 Molly B.

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 08:51 PM

http://www.cyberdriv...e38_issue39.pdf

 

Could someone save pages  19282-19294 as a separate document for us, please?


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:00 PM

Attached File  short_register_volume38_issue39.pdf   165.01KB   571 downloads


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:08 PM

 

Thank you!


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:09 PM

Please note there is no requirement for shots to be inside the 7-ring.

The list of info instructors must include in their roster is much easier to understand.


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:50 PM

If I read this right they have created yet another certificate to give to the students? Where can I find it?

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 10:55 PM

In Section 1231.30©(1)(B), change "training rosters:" to "written training rosters that shall include: 
i) instructor's name and CCT number; 
ii) curriculum name and CCC number; 
iii) student's full legal name; 
iv) student's date of birth; 
v) student's address; 
vi) student's phone number; 
vii) total hours attended, broken down to identify hours per topic covered as approved 
in Section 1231.40; 
viii) pass/fail live fire qualification; and 
ix) an indication of yes/no on issuance of ISP CCL training certificate, which shall 
serve as proof of completion of training." 
 
15) Summary and Purpose of Rulemaking: The proposed rulemaking will update out-of-state 
instructor requirements, establish auditing procedures for instructors, provide for the 
confidentiality of training records provided by students, and allow for the approval of 
new curriculum consistent with the Act. 

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:41 AM

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 07:13 AM

"Sheesh"

a more polite version of what came to my mind...



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Posted 30 September 2014 - 07:30 AM

No Blood Type, mother's maiden name , religions preference, next of kin , democratic party card number?

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:02 AM

Does this apply only to the new people doing this? Or all of us will have to go back and give all this info. To there trainer?

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:06 AM

Vii per persons nuts

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:23 AM

If I read this right they have created yet another certificate to give to the students? Where can I find it?

https://ccl4illinois...Certificate.pdf

This references April below.

https://ccl4illinois...tionalinfo.aspx

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:26 AM

Does anyone have a PDF with the complete rules as amended? The earlier PDF only has the sections that changed.

 

 

I wonder if ISP is going to send out form samples like they did before.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:37 AM

The certificate asks for a business name. On the older certificates we were told to enter "Illinois Carry" as the business name if we were using the CLIC curriculum. Is this still the case for trainers who don't train as part of a business, or do we enter our name, or just N/A?

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 08:55 AM

The certificate asks for a business name. On the older certificates we were told to enter "Illinois Carry" as the business name if we were using the CLIC curriculum. Is this still the case for trainers who don't train as part of a business, or do we enter our name, or just N/A?


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 09:00 AM

--In Section 1231.30©(1)( :cool:, change "training rosters:" to "written training rosters that
shall include:


So they expect hand written rosters?

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 09:41 AM

No, if they do an audit of an instructor's records they expected to see a printed roster. 

 

Some of the early instructors who were revoked for inferior training had the info "in their heads" or on bits and pieces of slips of paper, or lots of emails/texts.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:32 AM

Remember folks, the ISP are our friends...

I am surprised we don't have to hire a certified videographer to record every class. That roster is a freaking joke and I am trying to figure out how I put that mess on one freaking page.
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Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:42 AM

Remember folks, the ISP are our friends...

I am surprised we don't have to hire a certified videographer to record every class. That roster is a freaking joke and I am trying to figure out how I put that mess on one freaking page.


ExcelMan to the rescue - would there be interest in a Excel file with this stuff?

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:45 AM

Yes.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 03:02 PM

Are these finalized rules, or just amendments to the proposed rule changes? In other words, are these in effect now?

Edited by stm, 30 September 2014 - 03:03 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:13 PM

I would consider them in effect as of Sept. 26, 2014, at least that is what I plan to do.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:24 PM

Really: We instructors sign their certificates stating they had the training on said date.  The students sign their certificates stating they had the training on said date, That is the legally binding document needed. So we then have to make them sign other stuff stating they had the training that the certificate states that they had.  What in the world does this really accomplish?

Besides, I have all their personal info (address, phone, email) from each class in an excel file. I have all their targets, even, though I don't have to have them.  


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:27 PM

So we then have to make them sign other stuff stating they had the training that the certificate states that they had.  What in the world does this really accomplish?

 

 

 

I'm confused.  We have to make them sign what other stuff?


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:29 PM

Really: We instructors sign their certificates stating they had the training on said date.  The students sign their certificates stating they had the training on said date, That is the legally binding document needed. So we then have to make them sign other stuff stating they had the training that the certificate states that they had.  What in the world does this really accomplish?

 

 

So we then have to make them sign other stuff stating they had the training that the certificate states that they had.  What in the world does this really accomplish?

 

 

 

I'm confused.  We have to make them sign what other stuff?

 

The new roster stating the hours of the legal stuff.  Sorry.  Typing and thinking at the same time. :)


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:31 PM


 

 

The new roster stating the hours of the legal stuff.  Sorry.  Typing and thinking at the same time. :)

 

 

 

 

 

I plan to attach a copy of the class schedule to each roster.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:34 PM

 


 

 

The new roster stating the hours of the legal stuff.  Sorry.  Typing and thinking at the same time. :)

 

 

 

 

 

I plan to attach a copy of the class schedule to each roster.

 

I just follow CLIC front to back.  That is my schedule!  

Seriously, they make it so "unfun", 


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 04:41 PM

Really: We instructors sign their certificates stating they had the training on said date.  The students sign their certificates stating they had the training on said date, That is the legally binding document needed. So we then have to make them sign other stuff stating they had the training that the certificate states that they had.  What in the world does this really accomplish?


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 06:09 PM

Just to be clear... these new rules about collecting phone numbers and such for a roster only apply after tyhey pass these new rules, right? We don't have to go back and fill in all these blanks from the time we started training? Roster requirements today are different than when I started training.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 06:21 PM

Just to be clear... these new rules about collecting phone numbers and such for a roster only apply after tyhey pass these new rules, right? We don't have to go back and fill in all these blanks from the time we started training? Roster requirements today are different than when I started training.


Correct. That is my understanding.
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