Gamma Posted March 23, 2019 at 06:00 AM Share Posted March 23, 2019 at 06:00 AM It's constitutional carry of stun guns until the FCCA is amended to include stun guns.Ding ding I was just gonna say that. They declared it facially unconstitutional and didn't stay the mandate like what CA7 did in Moore. The statute doesn't exist due to this ruling. Void from inception. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk There are a whole lot of people that can apply to have convictions expunged. Stun guns have been a very popular UUW charge over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted March 23, 2019 at 01:13 PM Share Posted March 23, 2019 at 01:13 PM There are a whole lot of people that can apply to have convictions expunged. Stun guns have been a very popular UUW charge over the years.Oh yeah they've been having fun vacating AUUW convictions post-Aguilar/Moseley. Now they gotta go back to the beginning for stun devices. Just what the judiciary really wants to do...re-adjudicate hundreds (thousands?) of cases. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted March 23, 2019 at 03:08 PM Share Posted March 23, 2019 at 03:08 PM There are a whole lot of people that can apply to have convictions expunged. Stun guns have been a very popular UUW charge over the years.Oh yeah they've been having fun vacating AUUW convictions post-Aguilar/Moseley. Now they gotta go back to the beginning for stun devices. Just what the judiciary really wants to do...re-adjudicate hundreds (thousands?) of cases. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk A reasonable governor would just issue a blanket pardon to save everyone the headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted March 23, 2019 at 03:21 PM Share Posted March 23, 2019 at 03:21 PM A reasonable governor would just issue a blanket pardon to save everyone the headaches.Key word, "reasonable." Too bad we have JB the Hutt. Well at least this gives the ILGA pause over new legislation when current statute is being declared unconstitutional from its inception. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 23, 2019 at 05:15 PM Share Posted March 23, 2019 at 05:15 PM There are a whole lot of people that can apply to have convictions expunged. Stun guns have been a very popular UUW charge over the years.Oh yeah they've been having fun vacating AUUW convictions post-Aguilar/Moseley. Now they gotta go back to the beginning for stun devices. Just what the judiciary really wants to do...re-adjudicate hundreds (thousands?) of cases. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Just imagine if FOID being unconstitutional is upheld how many convictions will be up for expungement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2smartby1/2 Posted March 25, 2019 at 05:14 PM Share Posted March 25, 2019 at 05:14 PM This is a stunning decision.He will be here all day folks! Don't forget to tip you waitress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted March 26, 2019 at 05:29 AM Share Posted March 26, 2019 at 05:29 AM So, since the statute banning stun guns/Tasers in essence, has never been Constitutional, and as a result a giant's butt-load of AUUW convictions are now going to need to be re-adjudicated or expunged, will there be any possibility for compensation from the state to those adversely affected by those convictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted March 26, 2019 at 11:58 AM Share Posted March 26, 2019 at 11:58 AM [W]ill there be any possibility for compensation from the state to those adversely affected by those convictions?Negatory. Not unless it was a wrongful conviction to begin with. Best they'll get is conviction vacated, entire sheet expunged, make it disappear. And we ALL know that NOTHING ever disappears.Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted March 26, 2019 at 05:37 PM Share Posted March 26, 2019 at 05:37 PM [W]ill there be any possibility for compensation from the state to those adversely affected by those convictions?Negatory. Not unless it was a wrongful conviction to begin with. Best they'll get is conviction vacated, entire sheet expunged, make it disappear. And we ALL know that NOTHING ever disappears. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Wouldn't the fact that the conviction was obtained under an unconstitutional law make it a wrongful conviction by definition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted March 27, 2019 at 12:56 AM Share Posted March 27, 2019 at 12:56 AM The jurisprudence governing that is mighty complicated. It's POSSIBLE but it technically isn't a wrongful conviction in the eyes of the law. It's...being convicted of an unconstitutional law. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted March 27, 2019 at 01:51 AM Share Posted March 27, 2019 at 01:51 AM The jurisprudence governing that is mighty complicated. It's POSSIBLE but it technically isn't a wrongful conviction in the eyes of the law. It's...being convicted of an unconstitutional law. Sent from my VS987 using TapatalkSO you can be Rightfully be convicted of an UnConstitutional Law you didn’t have to follow ????I need a drink!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted March 27, 2019 at 06:11 AM Share Posted March 27, 2019 at 06:11 AM The jurisprudence governing that is mighty complicated. It's POSSIBLE but it technically isn't a wrongful conviction in the eyes of the law. It's...being convicted of an unconstitutional law. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk The fact remains that harm was received by the people so unconstitutionally convicted, so at the very least it would be a civil rights violation. Would that be even worse, then, than merely a wrongful conviction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 27, 2019 at 09:02 AM Share Posted March 27, 2019 at 09:02 AM Wrongful conviction refers to a conviction derived from an unfair process, like a (possibly false) coerced confession, fabrication or destruction of evidence, witness or jury tampering, or corruption. Basically someone involved in the process had to commit a crime to skew the result, although there are ways to obtain a wrongful conviction that may not technically be crimes, like the prosecution packing a jury with people it knows are likely to convict no matter what the evidence is. In the case of people convicted of UUW for stun guns and tasers, everyone faithfully enforced what they thought was a valid law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted March 27, 2019 at 11:32 AM Share Posted March 27, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^^^^^^^^ This. Is what I was trying to get at. It's the same concept (more or less) as the Davis good faith exception when applying current 4A precedent to cases that arose before the current precedent. Lots of people sitting in prison due to searches & seizures that have since been deemed unconstitutional. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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