Urgent Call to Action 4/26/2017 - Gun Dealer Licensing is On the Move!

[Flingarrows]

We agree on the "plus" area. It comes down to a morality issue.

 

I think we differ in how it will be accomplished. "Nothing is going to change if that stays the same...": blaming chucks and adding more regulation by liberal politicians ( or any for that matter) certainly isn't the answer.

 

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[mikew]

Nothing is going to change if it stays the same as it is now.

There is also a publicity war to be won and the gun community has not been effective in getting in front and leading it. No message has really resonated with the 'on the fence about guns' community.

 

For example, there is a little cognitive dissonance with the statement:

'If we enforce the laws on the books there will not be a problem.'

 

That statement supports the idea that laws will stop crime and stem the tide of violence.

 

This statement is usually followed by something similar to 'only people who make honest mistakes with guns are the ones that are prosecuted.' ISN'T THAT ENFORCING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS?

 

Really even the gun community, while they seem to loathe to admit, acknowledge that the laws are not working and should be adjusted, some repealed altogether, and probably some new ones.

 

PLUS!!!

Our culture needs adjusting where violence isn't the first thing that people resort to for conflict resolution.

Cook County's SA has raised the stakes of "Catch and Release" justice to new highs.

 

Care to tell us what new gun laws we need?

 

Are you still telling people that Chuck's is horrible?

[Hap]

I think our culture needs adjusting to where passing ineffectual but burdensome new laws isn't the first thing that people resort to.

[MrTriple]

Really even the gun community, while they seem to loathe to admit, acknowledge that the laws are not working and should be adjusted, some repealed altogether, and probably some new ones.

This is an excellent point. We need to do more to establish that gun laws really don't work. And not just worthless ideas like gun or magazine bans, but even older, more established ideas like point-of-sale background checks (you know I'm right...)

 

PLUS!!!

Our culture needs adjusting where violence isn't the first thing that people resort to for conflict resolution.

 

I don't think this is as big a problem as people make it out to be. It's just that violent incidents get widely advertised because violence sells in today's news environment. That's skews our perception of things.

 

On a related note: I think it's high time we fight back against this insidious notion that gun control is equally as popular as gun rights. That's a lie and we all know it. Gun rights are far more popular than gun control by a very significant margin, and the gun control movement is nothing more than a whacky, unhinged fringe movement. If the Democrats didn't officially support gun control as a part of their platform, then the gun control movement would have no power. Let's remind the American voting public how weak, small, and unpopular the gun control movement really is.

 

We also need to start adopting a zero-tolerance, zero-compromise approach when to comes to gun control. They want our rights eliminated, so that means we need to stop working with them and instead charge ahead without compromise. We should ignore them, isolate them, and give no credence to their concerns. Use their own tactics against them, like how Trump used his enemies tactics against them (and continues to).

[tkroenlein]

Nothing is going to change if it stays the same as it is now.

There is also a publicity war to be won and the gun community has not been effective in getting in front and leading it. No message has really resonated with the 'on the fence about guns' community.

 

For example, there is a little cognitive dissonance with the statement:

'If we enforce the laws on the books there will not be a problem.'

 

That statement supports the idea that laws will stop crime and stem the tide of violence.

 

This statement is usually followed by something similar to 'only people who make honest mistakes with guns are the ones that are prosecuted.' ISN'T THAT ENFORCING THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS?

 

Really even the gun community, while they seem to loathe to admit, acknowledge that the laws are not working and should be adjusted, some repealed altogether, and probably some new ones.

 

PLUS!!!

Our culture needs adjusting where violence isn't the first thing that people resort to for conflict resolution.

It's not a publicity war. While it's true that the antis rely on every shred of bad press that guns get to make their emotional pleas, this isn't the cola wars. Real people die because the state limits or denies their ability to defend themselves.

 

I'm not sure what "gun community" you're referring to specifically, but you seem to be confusing two separate issues. "Enforce the laws on the books" means that people who have physically committed a violent act against another human being need to be appropriately sentenced, or even prosecuted. The laws that criminalize possession, set up complex regulatory schemes, and constitute poll taxes are the laws that gun owners oppose. Are you saying that we don't make a clear enough distinction between the two? That may be the case.

[ScottFM]

 

 

"Enforce the laws on the books" means that people who have physically committed a violent act against another human being need to be appropriately sentenced, or even prosecuted. The laws that criminalize possession, set up complex regulatory schemes, and constitute poll taxes are the laws that gun owners oppose. Are you saying that we don't make a clear enough distinction between the two? That may be the case.

YES!

 

Exactly! It is a bad slogan because it encourages more laws, regardless if they work. In one major way, it is an admittance that gun laws can work *IF* enforced without any distinction about what makes a useful law and one that is an onerous ineffective one.