JDW Posted May 30, 2017 at 05:46 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 05:46 PM Good afternoon folks, These will be a dumb questions for those of you who've been heavily involved in and followed the Springfield process. I'll ask anyway, because the answer(s) will be you teaching me something new. If, SB-1657 passes the house, how soon does it go to the governor? If the governor were to veto it, would that veto stand? If the governor were to sign it, how soon does it become law? Lastly, like in today's session, when it gets taken off the table, does that essentially mean they don't have the needed votes to pass it, or could it possibly mean they're going to let it die? Thanks very much for your answer's in advance. Figure if I'm this heavily involved in the process, I should probably have a clue as to how the system works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:08 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:08 PM Once a bill passes both houses then legislature has 30 days to send to governor. He then has 60 days to sign or veto or it becomes law. He signs it's effective immediately or the date specified in bill. A veto option is an amendment veto where he changes the bill. After veto it would need to go back to both houses for a veto override which requires more votes than bill passage did, at least during spring session. SB1657 passed with minimum 30 votes so don't know likelihood of getting 36 for an override. I'll let someone else address nuances of a tabled bill vs one taken out of the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:35 PM Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:35 PM Thank you IB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:48 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:48 PM There are no dumb questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcilletaM Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:57 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 06:57 PM There are no dumb questions. OK then, what does "out of the record" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottFM Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:16 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:16 PM There are no dumb questions. OK then, what does "out of the record" mean? Basically removed from being voted on. The Illinois House uses their own version of parliamentary rules, as most legislative bodies do, and they basically removed it from the agenda until a possible later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazborgufen Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:17 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:17 PM Am I crazy, or did the legislative session end yesterday? Doesn't that mean that starting today we're in a "Veto Session" or something like that? Don't all bills now need a larger majority to pass, thus the dealer licensing bill as of today needs greater than a simple majority? Is that the same amount or still less than is needed for a veto override? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:20 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:20 PM End of Spring Session is 5/31. That's also the Constitutional cut off date after which the vote requirement goes up to a 3/5 majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcilletaM Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:23 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:23 PM There are no dumb questions. OK then, what does "out of the record" mean? Basically removed from being voted on. The Illinois House uses their own version of parliamentary rules, as most legislative bodies do, and they basically removed it from the agenda until a possible later date. Thank you. So is there some significance to a bill not being on the agenda for several sessions before this, having it be on the agenda today, and then being taken out of record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:23 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:23 PM Any legislative measure is normally made part of "The Record." I believe that technically, it means that the bill will not be considered or acted upon, hence it will not be part of the record. A sponsor will sometimes pull a bill to do some more work on it, or pull it from the record to garner more votes. When a bill is out of the record, it cannot be voted on... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:42 PM Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 07:42 PM Thanks guys. The only dumb question is the one I don't ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 30, 2017 at 08:41 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 08:41 PM Isn't it possible for bill to be out of record and put back in the same day, so just because it gets passed on earlier in day it can reappear? BTW, override votes or bill pass votes after 5/31 are 36 in Senate and 71 in House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 30, 2017 at 08:43 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 08:43 PM ... bill pass votes after 5/31 are 36 in Senate and 71 in House. ...if they have an immediate effective date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottFM Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:12 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:12 PM Isn't it possible for bill to be out of record and put back in the same day, so just because it gets passed on earlier in day it can reappear? BTW, override votes or bill pass votes after 5/31 are 36 in Senate and 71 in House.Ooh real inside baseball question! I do not know what their rules allow. Generally Demeter's, Robert's, SImplied Guide to Parlimentary procedure, etc. If you pull something off the "table" (record, agenda, for consideration, etc.) it cannot come back on until the next session. Session is a term that also is defined per rules of order. So really I don't know. But I doubt it would come back on the same day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:19 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:19 PM I've looked briefly but never found their exact rules when I discovered there appeared to be no formal out of record in Robert's rules of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcilletaM Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:22 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:22 PM ... bill pass votes after 5/31 are 36 in Senate and 71 in House....if they have an immediate effective date. And the definition of immediate effective date is prior to June of next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:28 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:28 PM Isn't it possible for bill to be out of record and put back in the same day, so just because it gets passed on earlier in day it can reappear? BTW, override votes or bill pass votes after 5/31 are 36 in Senate and 71 in House.Ooh real inside baseball question! I do not know what their rules allow. Generally Demeter's, Robert's, SImplied Guide to Parlimentary procedure, etc. If you pull something off the "table" (record, agenda, for consideration, etc.) it cannot come back on until the next session. Session is a term that also is defined per rules of order. So really I don't know. But I doubt it would come back on the same day. Taking a bill from the table, by Illinois rules, requires a 3/5 vote (pretty sure it's 3/5) and would have to occur within the same 2 year General Assembly in which the bill was tabled in the first place. That's different than not having it read into the legislative record (ie "out of the record"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:29 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:29 PM ... bill pass votes after 5/31 are 36 in Senate and 71 in House. ...if they have an immediate effective date. And the definition of immediate effective date is prior to June of next year? Yeah, that's really a better way to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:57 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 09:57 PM How a bill becomes law in IL http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lis/98bill_law.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcilletaM Posted May 30, 2017 at 10:18 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 10:18 PM How a bill becomes law in IL http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lis/98bill_law.pdf This is good but doesn't include dates, vote counts needed, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted May 30, 2017 at 10:30 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 10:30 PM How a bill becomes law in IL http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lis/98bill_law.pdf This is good but doesn't include dates, vote counts needed, etc. Haven't found a single document with all that. I've googled how a bill becomes law in Illinois and cobbled together my understanding from posts here and online multiple sources as some results are topic specific and not comprehensive e.g pensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcilletaM Posted May 30, 2017 at 11:11 PM Share Posted May 30, 2017 at 11:11 PM How a bill becomes law in IL http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lis/98bill_law.pdf This is good but doesn't include dates, vote counts needed, etc.Haven't found a single document with all that. I've googled how a bill becomes law in Illinois and cobbled together my understanding from posts here and online multiple sources as some results are topic specific and not comprehensive e.g pensions.That's what I'm doing now as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:26 AM Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:26 AM Thanks all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted May 31, 2017 at 02:36 AM Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 02:36 AM How a bill becomes law in IL http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lis/98bill_law.pdfThat chart is missing the money from Madigan to his minions to encourage them to toe his line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottFM Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:51 PM Share Posted May 31, 2017 at 01:51 PM I've looked briefly but never found their exact rules when I discovered there appeared to be no formal out of record in Robert's rules of order.The closest that 'Out of Record" would be in Robert's is "lay on the table" http://www.rulesonline.com/rror-05.htm As I said earlier, the legislative body in Illinois, like in other states, uses their own rules of order. This is a very common thing for formal deliberative bodies to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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