Chicago312 Posted November 7, 2017 at 11:58 PM Share Posted November 7, 2017 at 11:58 PM is it mandatory to submit finger prints with your ccl application? I had a few arrest that were expunged and sealed but my finger prints apparently are still on file. Any way to get my finger prints out of the "system"? , , or even my dna sample? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted November 8, 2017 at 12:15 AM Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 12:15 AM Fingerprints are not required although some in the legislature would like to change that. The ISP gets an extra 30 days to process apps without prints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted November 8, 2017 at 01:33 AM Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 01:33 AM OP your questions should be answered by your lawyer. Although to answer the first question Fingerprints are not required to get a CCL. Fingerprints or help to identify your identity. The NCIC check is run by the state police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago312 Posted November 8, 2017 at 01:57 AM Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 01:57 AM Thanks again fellas! And I never had a lawyer, I joined this forum a convicted felon looking for answers and with the help of Molly B and a few others, I was able to vacate my felony conviction and expunge/seal my recorded all without the help of a pricey lawyer. I am currently a foid card holder and every questioned that I had, has been answered by the good people on this forum. Thanks again for all the insight and assistance. You all don't know how much I appreciate everyone's help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted November 8, 2017 at 03:36 AM Share Posted November 8, 2017 at 03:36 AM Fingerprints are not required under the statute, but are required by ISP if you desire to become an instructor. Also in some instances of appeals or review board referrals, fingerprints have apparently been required. As far as "the system", once you have given "the system" your fingerprints they will never be "out of the system". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:03 PM Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:03 PM As far as "the system", once you have given "the system" your fingerprints they will never be "out of the system". Exactly why I will never give fingerprints. My biometric data of any kind is none of the government's business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:36 PM Share Posted November 9, 2017 at 03:36 PM As far as "the system", once you have given "the system" your fingerprints they will never be "out of the system".Exactly why I will never give fingerprints. My biometric data of any kind is none of the government's business.Just throwing this out there...read a discussion on a forum where it was claimed there were 2 types of prints: criminal and identity/background. Supposedly criminal was forever. Identity/bg prints were run and if it got no hits, the claim was those were discarded after a set period of time. They never came back with more info when questioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted November 10, 2017 at 02:33 PM Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 02:33 PM Short article on fingerprints: If your fingerprints were taken by a government agency, they were likely sent to the FBI’s fingerprint repository in Clarksburg, WV. This used to be done with paper tenprint cards (and still is, in some cases), but most agencies take and transmit the prints electronically now. The prints get added to a database, which, as you might expect, is huge. The U.S. Department of Justice has been collecting fingerprint records since 1905. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted November 10, 2017 at 04:00 PM Share Posted November 10, 2017 at 04:00 PM Trying not be insulting but that is the closest thing to fact that I have ever read on Quora. While Wikipedia has a lot of British editors who may or may not have a clue, usually Quora is written by people in India and some of the answers are absurd. This answer is spot on except for no mention of the old ink cards being converted digitally and the implementation of the NGI system. Quora just popped up in a quick search.I'll keep an eye out should it ever appear again. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Posted November 12, 2017 at 07:37 PM Share Posted November 12, 2017 at 07:37 PM There are also apparently instructors out there who either give out misinformation that fingerprints are required or really try to coerce everyone into getting fingerprinted. There are also some who do so for financial reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oohrah Posted November 14, 2017 at 01:46 AM Share Posted November 14, 2017 at 01:46 AM And just to put a finer point on this, if you are an eligible non-resident, you can't submit fingerprints unless you actually come to IL, because the vendor won't take prints out of state. I got my IL CCL in 100 days w/o prints. (PS - Texas uses the exact same vendor, but I still couldn't go to them for IL prints) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokedaddy Posted November 15, 2017 at 10:59 PM Share Posted November 15, 2017 at 10:59 PM Fingerprints are not mandatory. ISP is allocated 90 days to approve and issue your license if you submit your prints. They are allocated 120 days if you do not submit them. I did not submit prints and received my license in 90 days. I also have been arrested for a street fight. The charge was battery (not domestic battery). My record showed a non conviction because I completed court supervision so I was able to get the arrest expunged. I filed the expungement with local police, state police, and FBI. I was told that the FBI manages the fingerprint database. I have since applied for jobs that required background checks and fingerprints, all came back clean. I also ran checks on my own and there were no record at local police, state police, or FBI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka Posted December 10, 2017 at 05:42 PM Share Posted December 10, 2017 at 05:42 PM I attended the ISP Class on taking and managing fingerprints a couple of years ago. Once your fingerprints are taken they are in the system. On the other hand Fingerprints taken can be used only for the purpose they were taken for. This means that when you submit your fingerprints say for a job at the airport - your fingerprints enter the system but can only be used for approving you for the job at the airport.Once your application is processed, the fingerprints are discarded by the agency and not shared. They cannot be used by the ISP for approving you for CCL . You must provide a fresh set of fingerprints for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted December 11, 2017 at 02:10 AM Share Posted December 11, 2017 at 02:10 AM 8Once your application is processed, the fingerprints are discarded by the agency and not shared. Can you clarify about the discarding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted December 11, 2017 at 02:33 AM Share Posted December 11, 2017 at 02:33 AM Among the uses of fingerprints is to identify bodies found with any identification. If the prints did not remain in the system, that could not be done. I believe that the prints that I submitted for my CCL verified that I am the same person who raised his hand in 1965 to become a member of the USN. I have had so many prints done over the years, one more set is not going to make me more, or less, subject to Big Brother. If I find my head in a rat cage next week, I will know I was wrong. http://www.forensicsciencetechnician.org/8-body-parts-forensic-scientists-use-to-id-a-body/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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