ns1963 Posted August 11, 2013 at 04:20 AM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 04:20 AM I'm not sure if this has been addressed before but, Can you legally build your own AR lower from an 80% one? Oh, and I should have said, in CROOK county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted August 11, 2013 at 05:23 AM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 05:23 AM I'm not sure if this has been addressed before but, Can you legally build your own AR lower from an 80% one? Oh, and I should have said, in CROOK county IANAL, but if it is a pistol lower, then yes. If it is a rifle lower, then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted August 11, 2013 at 05:35 AM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 05:35 AM Since an 80% is just a block of aluminum when you buy it, when you finish it assemble it as a pistol (or stamp it as such) and it's a pistol at that point and should be preempted by State law... But, do note if it's stamped or built as a pistol you can't magically turn it into a rifle, or at least you are not legally supposed to... But, since you built it yourself and there is no paperwork trail of whether it's a pistol or rifle one would be hard pressed to figure out if it was a pistol or rifle receiver unless you tell them or they discover it built one way or another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipedoc Posted August 11, 2013 at 02:07 PM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 02:07 PM Rocker I am pretty sure you can legally convert that Ar pistol to a rifle but once that has been done if you go back to pistol configuration the BATFE considers it an SBR. So in other words, pistol to rifle Ok. Rifle to pistol not ok unless tax stamp and all other NFA requirements for SBR. It seems silly to me but so does many of these crazy gun laws are silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm.stites Posted August 11, 2013 at 02:51 PM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 02:51 PM Rocker I am pretty sure you can legally convert that Ar pistol to a rifle but once that has been done if you go back to pistol configuration the BATFE considers it an SBR. So in other words, pistol to rifle Ok. Rifle to pistol not ok unless tax stamp and all other NFA requirements for SBR. It seems silly to me but so does many of these crazy gun laws are silly.NOT when you live in cook county where the rifles are banned. The only issue i can see with the lower would be how to prove its a "pistol" lower with no serial number they can track down to see.but if your intents to build a rifle then no even a 80% would be illegal in cook the minute you finished the work on the 80% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted August 11, 2013 at 04:35 PM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 04:35 PM Rocker I am pretty sure you can legally convert that Ar pistol to a rifle but once that has been done if you go back to pistol configuration the BATFE considers it an SBR. So in other words, pistol to rifle Ok. Rifle to pistol not ok unless tax stamp and all other NFA requirements for SBR. It seems silly to me but so does many of these crazy gun laws are silly.NOT when you live in cook county where the rifles are banned. The only issue i can see with the lower would be how to prove its a "pistol" lower with no serial number they can track down to see.but if your intents to build a rifle then no even a 80% would be illegal in cook the minute you finished the work on the 80% Well, first the burden of proof would be on the police, not the citizen. However, have a rifle length barrel and a rifle stock in your parts pile in "proximity" to the receiver might be good evidence against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm.stites Posted August 11, 2013 at 04:47 PM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 04:47 PM Rocker I am pretty sure you can legally convert that Ar pistol to a rifle but once that has been done if you go back to pistol configuration the BATFE considers it an SBR. So in other words, pistol to rifle Ok. Rifle to pistol not ok unless tax stamp and all other NFA requirements for SBR. It seems silly to me but so does many of these crazy gun laws are silly.NOT when you live in cook county where the rifles are banned. The only issue i can see with the lower would be how to prove its a "pistol" lower with no serial number they can track down to see.but if your intents to build a rifle then no even a 80% would be illegal in cook the minute you finished the work on the 80% Well, first the burden of proof would be on the police, not the citizen. However, have a rifle length barrel and a rifle stock in your parts pile in "proximity" to the receiver might be good evidence against you.way to much of a chance to do it that way I.M.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostholycerebus Posted August 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM Share Posted August 11, 2013 at 10:52 PM Federally, ATF has recently interpreted that you can build a lower as a pistol, then a rifle, then back as a pistol. Just make sure that at no point you have a complete pistol upper on a complete rifle lower, thats a SBR. Federally, there is a charge known as 'constructive possession' which means, if you own one AR15, a pistol, and just happen to have a stock around, you are in constructive possession of a SBR and are going to federal prison. If you have multiple AR's, including a few rifles, not an issue. Federally, If you first build as a rifle, you cant then make that lower into a pistol. Thats why my first build is a pistol, I can use that same upper to build every lower I purchase as a pistol first, take a picture, make a note in my log, and then do what I want. with it. Of course this, and any answer, is worth the paper its printed on. You can also write a letter to your local ATF branch and receive a written response to YOUR carefully and specifically worded questions. This letter wont help anyone else, and may not help even you, but at least you will have something to show the judge. Regarding Cook, I would see a lawyer. Depending how the law is worded you may be able to keep a rifle upper and stock and just not install it onto the firearm (lower) until you leave the county. Or you might get thrown in Cook County jail for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted August 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM Share Posted August 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM Rocker I am pretty sure you can legally convert that Ar pistol to a rifle but once that has been done if you go back to pistol configuration the BATFE considers it an SBR. So in other words, pistol to rifle Ok. Rifle to pistol not ok unless tax stamp and all other NFA requirements for SBR. It seems silly to me but so does many of these crazy gun laws are silly.NOT when you live in cook county where the rifles are banned. The only issue i can see with the lower would be how to prove its a "pistol" lower with no serial number they can track down to see.but if your intents to build a rifle then no even a 80% would be illegal in cook the minute you finished the work on the 80% Well, first the burden of proof would be on the police, not the citizen. However, have a rifle length barrel and a rifle stock in your parts pile in "proximity" to the receiver might be good evidence against you. I call bull crap. Sure that's the way it's SUPPOSED to work, but you ARE guilty until proven innocent, detained, arrested, day(s) in court... all the while your firearm is confiscated temporarily possibly permanently "for evidence". And to top it all off you are out thousands of dollars in lawyer fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm.stites Posted August 12, 2013 at 01:02 PM Share Posted August 12, 2013 at 01:02 PM constructive possession sure is a nasty thing. specially when you can get charged with it just for having a 14.5 without the muzzle break pinned even though you have the parts to pin it sitting right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted August 13, 2013 at 02:18 AM Share Posted August 13, 2013 at 02:18 AM I'm not sure if this has been addressed before but, Can you legally build your own AR lower from an 80% one? Oh, and I should have said, in CROOK county No. It's illegal in Illinois by state law. Crook county or not. If you're trying to save money, you can get a new frontier polymer lower from joebobs for less than an 80% anyway. I think they're $45 right now, in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted August 13, 2013 at 02:34 AM Share Posted August 13, 2013 at 02:34 AM No. It's illegal in Illinois by state law. Crook county or not. This is utterly false, there is no law in Illinois forbidding you from building your own a firearm, nor is there a Federal law prohibiting it... Finishing up an 80% paperweight is perfectly legal as long as you comply with local and federal regulations on construction aka don't build an illegal firearm (machine gun) and don't build one if you are prohibited from firearm ownership... The big factor to consider here is that Cook County has an 'assault weapon' ban that comes into play for long guns, but should be (likely going to take a lawsuit) preempted in regards to pistols with the passing of the FCCA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted August 13, 2013 at 01:55 PM Share Posted August 13, 2013 at 01:55 PM Could be wrong but I think its in the saturday night special section of ilcs that you cant manufacture your own firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted August 13, 2013 at 05:24 PM Share Posted August 13, 2013 at 05:24 PM Could be wrong but I think its in the saturday night special section of ilcs that you cant manufacture your own firearm. You are incorrect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns1963 Posted August 16, 2013 at 02:39 AM Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 at 02:39 AM So even though my town is a "home rule" town, and has no assault weapon bans or any gun ordinances on the books, I couldn't keep an AR-15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted August 16, 2013 at 02:49 AM Share Posted August 16, 2013 at 02:49 AM So even though my town is a "home rule" town, and has no assault weapon bans or any gun ordinances on the books, I couldn't keep an AR-15? Depends upon who you ask, and thus will likely need to be settled in court if Cook County pushes the issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPD5408 Posted August 16, 2013 at 03:33 PM Share Posted August 16, 2013 at 03:33 PM You can build a firearm in Illinois from a 80% lower. I have only seen AR15 and 1911 80% lowers. You still have to follow state and federal owl etc, but you can build them. As far as Cook County I dont know. In the rest of Illinois I know it's not illegal to build an 80 rifle. Pistol I don't know I just built a 16 middy on one don't have the need or desire for a pistol build so never looked into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPD5408 Posted August 16, 2013 at 03:34 PM Share Posted August 16, 2013 at 03:34 PM Owl= overall length. Tried to shorten it but iPad autocorrected me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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