We'll guys and gals….
First week of veto session is over. Nothing of note happened on guns or 2A issues.
A church group from the Gold coast came down to make some sort of plea for gun control. Got to meet some of the incoming freshmen, and some of the replacement legislators.
We handed out 15 bills for the next session in the House. Just the first round, more to follow as I get them drafted and we kick around ideas.
RTC was handed to Rep. Phelps. Now before everyone gets all whacked out when the read it, it is the same as HB-462 from this session. WE have been working on a major re-write of the bill. And are still talking to law enforcement groups to get their final take and maybe approval. That being said, it is easier on staff to analyze the bill. They can simply dust off the old one from this year, change the bill number and they are done. The bill will be amended. It will be substantially better and changed. But we don't need to tip our hands on this to early and give them 2 months to work up arguments. So please bear with us.
We will start dropping bills off in the Senate in two weeks. Along with more House bills. I can tell you the mood at the capitol is very positive. We have a lot of new developments at the capitol. And I feel very, very good about things.
We expect them to be able to pre-file bills after the 1st of December. Not sure how long before they are online after that, but you'll be able to see them when they are.
We are back in on the 29th. Then we come back after the 1st of the year.
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Legislative Update 11/18/10
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Posted 18 November 2010 - 08:19 PM
While a 9 mm or .40 caliber bullet may or may not expand, it is an undeniable fact that a .45 caliber bullet will never shrink.
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Eliminating the element of surprise one bill at a time.
Posted 19 November 2010 - 09:40 AM
Are you expecting the typical violation-of-rights package from Daley next session, or will he not bother with retirement looming?
Or, will someone just step in to push the same nonsense in his absence?
Or, will someone just step in to push the same nonsense in his absence?
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Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:56 AM
I will expect some of the same maybe a few new ones. the diggins bill will come back so will lost or stolen. No private transfers musch the same.
they just haven't seen all the stuff we have been dreaming up........
they just haven't seen all the stuff we have been dreaming up........
While a 9 mm or .40 caliber bullet may or may not expand, it is an undeniable fact that a .45 caliber bullet will never shrink.
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Posted 19 November 2010 - 08:59 PM
Todd,please excuse my ignorance about bills and such,but do we need to have someone introduce a bill in the Senate,or do we always start in the House?
Patrick Henry: "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense".
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Posted 19 November 2010 - 10:12 PM
TTIN, on 19 November 2010 - 08:59 PM, said:
Todd,please excuse my ignorance about bills and such,but do we need to have someone introduce a bill in the Senate,or do we always start in the House?
we can attack from either side, just like they can.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks"
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Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
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Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 06:32 AM
we can do either or. you are probanly thinking about the us consitution requirement that calls for all approp bills to start in the house.
We will do the senate in two weeks, just getting things set up as there is more ground to cover with twice the reps
We will do the senate in two weeks, just getting things set up as there is more ground to cover with twice the reps
While a 9 mm or .40 caliber bullet may or may not expand, it is an undeniable fact that a .45 caliber bullet will never shrink.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:21 AM
Well there's a certain Senator from down my way who stood up in front of the Franklin Co. townhall meeting and said if we need a carry bill introduced in the Senate,that he would.....remember that Molly?
Edit; Thanks for the info everyone.....this site is a great learning resource.
Edit; Thanks for the info everyone.....this site is a great learning resource.
Patrick Henry: "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense".
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:45 AM
TTIN who was it?
yesterday I sent molly drafts of 3 or 4 more bills. I drafted another 4 for the wildlife code, and still haven't gotten tot he bottom of my list.
since I won't be out for gun season this weekend, I'll have time to keep writing.
yesterday I sent molly drafts of 3 or 4 more bills. I drafted another 4 for the wildlife code, and still haven't gotten tot he bottom of my list.
since I won't be out for gun season this weekend, I'll have time to keep writing.
While a 9 mm or .40 caliber bullet may or may not expand, it is an undeniable fact that a .45 caliber bullet will never shrink.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:32 AM
Tvandermyde, on 20 November 2010 - 09:45 AM, said:
TTIN who was it?
yesterday I sent molly drafts of 3 or 4 more bills. I drafted another 4 for the wildlife code, and still haven't gotten tot he bottom of my list.
since I won't be out for gun season this weekend, I'll have time to keep writing.
yesterday I sent molly drafts of 3 or 4 more bills. I drafted another 4 for the wildlife code, and still haven't gotten tot he bottom of my list.
since I won't be out for gun season this weekend, I'll have time to keep writing.
Todd, I'm betting it was Gary Forby. He was there and that's his Senatorial District. Sic 'em!
Are you a member of the ISRA?? If not, why not?? Join over 18,000 other Illinois gun owners in the fight for your rights!!!
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:21 AM
Great, until Phelps does something idiotic like change it to a carry bill for judges only.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:24 PM
Houndawg, on 20 November 2010 - 11:21 AM, said:
Great, until Phelps does something idiotic like change it to a carry bill for judges only.
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 12:28 PM
Molly B., on 20 November 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:
Houndawg, on 20 November 2010 - 11:21 AM, said:
Great, until Phelps does something idiotic like change it to a carry bill for judges only.
He already sagotaged one of his own bills by doing that.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:33 PM
Houndawg, on 20 November 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:
Molly B., on 20 November 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:
Houndawg, on 20 November 2010 - 11:21 AM, said:
Great, until Phelps does something idiotic like change it to a carry bill for judges only.
He already sagotaged one of his own bills by doing that.
"sagotaged"??
Which bill number was that and which session? You are aware that many times bills are introduced with the intent to amend them to something completely different than they started out as?? Brandon Phelps has been a very strong supporter of all things 2A and has the advantage of being a member of the majority party. I'd be damned sure of my facts before I accused him of "doing something idiotic".
What's the matter with a carry bill for judges anyway?
AB
Are you a member of the ISRA?? If not, why not?? Join over 18,000 other Illinois gun owners in the fight for your rights!!!
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
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Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 06:33 PM
abolt243, on 20 November 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:
Tvandermyde, on 20 November 2010 - 09:45 AM, said:
TTIN who was it?
yesterday I sent molly drafts of 3 or 4 more bills. I drafted another 4 for the wildlife code, and still haven't gotten tot he bottom of my list.
since I won't be out for gun season this weekend, I'll have time to keep writing.
yesterday I sent molly drafts of 3 or 4 more bills. I drafted another 4 for the wildlife code, and still haven't gotten tot he bottom of my list.
since I won't be out for gun season this weekend, I'll have time to keep writing.
Todd, I'm betting it was Gary Forby. He was there and that's his Senatorial District. Sic 'em!
Patrick Henry: "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense".
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:35 PM
AB, you are good. (period)
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:42 PM
burningspear, on 20 November 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:
AB, you are good. (period)
Naw, just persistent. Advanced search for Franklin, found the thread on the meeting, read the media reports, Forby was on the program. Had to be him, and he is very pro-gun, I've heard him before.
AB
Are you a member of the ISRA?? If not, why not?? Join over 18,000 other Illinois gun owners in the fight for your rights!!!
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"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
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Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:48 PM
Elamentary my dear Waston.....
While a 9 mm or .40 caliber bullet may or may not expand, it is an undeniable fact that a .45 caliber bullet will never shrink.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 08:35 PM
[quote name='abolt243' date='20 November 2010 - 02:33 PM' timestamp='1290285192' post='235438']
[quote name='Houndawg' date='20 November 2010 - 12:28 PM' timestamp='1290277734' post='235432']
[quote name='Molly B.' date='20 November 2010 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1290277483' post='235431']
[quote name='Houndawg' date='20 November 2010 - 11:21 AM' timestamp='1290273660' post='235428']
Great, until Phelps does something idiotic like change it to a carry bill for judges only.
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He already sagotaged one of his own bills by doing that.
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"sagotaged"??
Which bill number was that and which session? You are aware that many times bills are introduced with the intent to amend them to something completely different than they started out as?? Brandon Phelps has been a very strong supporter of all things 2A and has the advantage of being a member of the majority party. I'd be damned sure of my facts before I accused him of "doing something idiotic".
What's the matter with a carry bill for judges anyway?
AB
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Look it up your own self. It was last year or the year before. It was talked about extensively on this here forum.
[quote name='Houndawg' date='20 November 2010 - 12:28 PM' timestamp='1290277734' post='235432']
[quote name='Molly B.' date='20 November 2010 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1290277483' post='235431']
[quote name='Houndawg' date='20 November 2010 - 11:21 AM' timestamp='1290273660' post='235428']
Great, until Phelps does something idiotic like change it to a carry bill for judges only.
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He already sagotaged one of his own bills by doing that.
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"sagotaged"??
Which bill number was that and which session? You are aware that many times bills are introduced with the intent to amend them to something completely different than they started out as?? Brandon Phelps has been a very strong supporter of all things 2A and has the advantage of being a member of the majority party. I'd be damned sure of my facts before I accused him of "doing something idiotic".
What's the matter with a carry bill for judges anyway?
AB
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Look it up your own self. It was last year or the year before. It was talked about extensively on this here forum.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 09:59 PM
abolt243, on 20 November 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:
burningspear, on 20 November 2010 - 07:35 PM, said:
AB, you are good. (period)
Naw, just persistent. Advanced search for Franklin, found the thread on the meeting, read the media reports, Forby was on the program. Had to be him, and he is very pro-gun, I've heard him before.
AB
Yeah AB,but how'd you know I was from Franklin?
Patrick Henry: "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense".
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:05 PM
TTIN, your post #7 was about the Franklin meeting. LOL
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:12 PM
papa, on 20 November 2010 - 10:05 PM, said:
TTIN, your post #7 was about the Franklin meeting. LOL
Dangit Papa!! I was gonna tell him it was because of my special brand of tin foil twisted into a special, secret shape.
But really, doesn't everyone know where Pickle City is??
AB
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"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
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Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 11:54 PM
Pickle City ????
Never heard of it. 
Never heard of it.
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 09:03 PM
papa, on 20 November 2010 - 10:05 PM, said:
TTIN, your post #7 was about the Franklin meeting. LOL
Hump....so I guess that's what they mean by a senior moment. LOL
Patrick Henry: "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense".
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
"God made men,but Colt made them equals"
"Guns don't kill people..husbands who come home early do" -Larry The Cable Guy
"Illinois: Will the Defendant Please Rise?"
"si vis pacem, para bellum"
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 09:21 PM
Yeah... and you got me in trouble with abolt to boot. 
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 09:28 PM
papa, on 22 November 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:
Yeah... and you got me in trouble with abolt to boot.
Naa, you ain't in trouble. I just thought it was cute that he forgot,........ what was it again?
Are you a member of the ISRA?? If not, why not?? Join over 18,000 other Illinois gun owners in the fight for your rights!!!
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
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Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
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I'm not telling you.. wild horses couldn't drag it out of me.. LOL
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Posted 22 November 2010 - 09:48 PM
papa, on 22 November 2010 - 09:37 PM, said:
I'm not telling you.. wild horses couldn't drag it out of me.. LOL
That's just because you forgot too!!
Are you a member of the ISRA?? If not, why not?? Join over 18,000 other Illinois gun owners in the fight for your rights!!!
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
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