FieldGL Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:23 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:23 PM 1447 - 873 - 9 opponents have added another 10 in the last few minutes alone. I have a feeling the final numbers are going to be much closer than they should be. Pretty disappointed in our numbers. Probably only a matter of time, before they start to get even or surpass us. I am also disappointed. We had a much better turnout only a few months ago. It's really frustrating, because when I'm at the range and talking to others there, they're like "yeah, i hope we can get so and so, wish we could do this or that". But when you talk to them about participating and helping with witness slips, talking to their reps, emails, calls, etc. They're too busy or it's too much trouble, "lost cause". Feel like ranges should have a board or something highlighting important bills currently in our state, regarding 2A and how they can help. Give people something to do, while waiting for a lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dactyl Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:34 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:34 PM It's really frustrating, because when I'm at the range and talking to others there, they're like "yeah, i hope we can get so and so, wish we could do this or that". But when you talk to them about participating and helping with witness slips, talking to their reps, emails, calls, etc. They're too busy or it's too much trouble, "lost cause". Feel like ranges should have a board or something highlighting important bills currently in our state, regarding 2A and how they can help. Give people something to do, while waiting for a lane. +1 on that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchenryill Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:36 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:36 PM Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:54 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:54 PM i was told by a senate staffer today IC's official position is they are nuetral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharetH Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:54 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 04:54 PM Done Proponents: 1494 Opponents: 1034 They are catching up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imfbarn Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:09 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:09 PM Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:16 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:16 PM i was told by a senate staffer today IC's official position is they are nuetral We very much support suppressors but our members are all over the board on the bill, we not opposed to it. One of concerns that keeps coming up is the fear of penalties and confiscation if stopped in a prohibited area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdm45aaron Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:45 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:45 PM I'm sure this has been asked but what do the witness slips accomplish? I filled some out and when that bill is discussed in committee someone pauses and quickly says the numbers and they never speak of it again. I know last session there seemed to be some very, very lopsided witness slips filed but the bill kept being pushed. Is it one of those things where yea, it's there, but it only really matters if the numbers show what the congress members want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdpower Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:49 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:49 PM Done and posted on DOOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadchucker Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:54 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:54 PM Witness slip filed. Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:58 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 05:58 PM one witness slips show there is interest. I'm sure what is happening is that you have two national groups putting out calls to ALL there members ARS & Moms for witness slips They have seen how effective we are, they are trying to take a page out of our playbook, but I suspect most of them are from out of state. "IC" as an organization is sitting on their hands. Waiting for the perfect to be the enemy of the good. The problem with being a leader, is you have to lead. You have to make tough decisions that are sometimes unpopular with some people or members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdm45aaron Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:02 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:02 PM but I suspect most of them are from out of state.Will this matter to members of the committee? Do they look at that? I'm relatively new to these witness slips... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGL Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:04 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:04 PM PRO - 1658OPP - 1279 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blck10th Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:09 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:09 PM one witness slips show there is interest. I'm sure what is happening is that you have two national groups putting out calls to ALL there members ARS & Moms for witness slips They have seen how effective we are, they are trying to take a page out of our playbook, but I suspect most of them are from out of state. "IC" as an organization is sitting on their hands. Waiting for the perfect to be the enemy of the good. The problem with being a leader, is you have to lead. You have to make tough decisions that are sometimes unpopular with some people or members. I too wondered how it works. I fill them out every time I get a notice. But people from outside IL can also fill them out? Why is that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:16 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:16 PM Done X2 Thanks Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGL Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:19 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:19 PM one witness slips show there is interest. I'm sure what is happening is that you have two national groups putting out calls to ALL there members ARS & Moms for witness slips They have seen how effective we are, they are trying to take a page out of our playbook, but I suspect most of them are from out of state. "IC" as an organization is sitting on their hands. Waiting for the perfect to be the enemy of the good. The problem with being a leader, is you have to lead. You have to make tough decisions that are sometimes unpopular with some people or members. Seems a lot more shares are going around than what I usually see for bills, on Facebook for SB50. Mostly copy/paste, with very short details saying to oppose and detailed instructions on how to fill out a slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:24 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:24 PM 1702 proponents1343 opposed Let's go folk's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:28 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:28 PM Here's how the witness slips work. If we have more than them, they are ignored. If they have more than us, it will be brought up that there is no support for this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:51 PM Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:51 PM 1702 proponents1343 opposedLet's go folk's.1753 pro1429 against10 neutral I see they are starting to also post at the IL Senate Dem and GOP twitter accounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:53 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 06:53 PM Exactly, if we get blown away, it's one more excuse for some anti lawmaker to use. Wonder if there is any way to validate the witness slips and have all the out of state ones removed. Here's how the witness slips work. If we have more than them, they are ignored. If they have more than us, it will be brought up that there is no support for this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:00 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:00 PM OK folks, I just got off the phone with Todd. Todd would like us to start filing witness slips in support of the suppressor bill. This is the first pro gun bill in this session and we need to show the anti Gunners that we are not giving in. KING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:01 PM Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:01 PM They may not discuss slips on committee or the floor (although sometimes the numbers are mentioned) and it may seem to be ignored, but when we have large overwhelming numbers, Id like to think it does alert them that voters in their districts are following legislation and watching what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:26 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:26 PM Since we are neutral – our members who support this bill should feel free to file slips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:30 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:30 PM Since we are neutral – our members who support this bill should feel free to file slips. How about since you're only neutral, not in opposition, send out a Call to Action stating such, but notifying others that there is a committee hearing upcoming and they can file slips if they so choose? There are so many people who get those calls to action, but aren't necessarily regular members here... and they may not know about the hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:34 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:34 PM Since we are neutral – our members who support this bill should feel free to file slips. How about since you're only neutral, not in opposition, send out a Call to Action stating such, but notifying others that there is a committee hearing upcoming and they can file slips if they so choose? There are so many people who get those calls to action, but aren't necessarily regular members here... and they may not know about the hearing. The greatest push back we get, the most negative comments, and loss of membership comes when we send out alerts pushing the suppressor bill. It’s not a clearly understood issue here in IL yet. And members think we should be focusing on reducing the prohibited areas and other issues pertaining to the right to carry. We are not opposed to the bill. We’re neutral, that way members can support the bill but we don’t suffer negative consequences from those who don’t, whether it’s because of issues with the bill or the focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:37 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:37 PM Since we are neutral our members who support this bill should feel free to file slips. How about since you're only neutral, not in opposition, send out a Call to Action stating such, but notifying others that there is a committee hearing upcoming and they can file slips if they so choose? There are so many people who get those calls to action, but aren't necessarily regular members here... and they may not know about the hearing.The ISRA has the call to action out already. There's also notices posted on Facebook and Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:38 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:38 PM Since we are neutral – our members who support this bill should feel free to file slips. How about since you're only neutral, not in opposition, send out a Call to Action stating such, but notifying others that there is a committee hearing upcoming and they can file slips if they so choose? There are so many people who get those calls to action, but aren't necessarily regular members here... and they may not know about the hearing. The greatest push back we get, the most negative comments, and loss of membership comes when we send out alerts pushing the suppressor bill. It’s not a clearly understood issue here in IL yet. And members think we should be focusing on reducing the prohibited areas and other issues pertaining to the right to carry. We are not opposed to the bill. We’re neutral, that way members can support the bill but we don’t suffer negative consequences from those who don’t, whether it’s because of issues with the bill or the focus. So a good portion of the membership here are whiny little children who can't accept that something that doesn't interest them might be of interest to someone else? "How dare you alert me about suppressors, I'm only interested in public transportation! Goodbye forever!!1!one!!" I see zero harm in simply informing people who may not know about the hearing... so maybe not a call to action, but an Illinois Carry Alert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:39 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:39 PM Since we are neutral our members who support this bill should feel free to file slips. How about since you're only neutral, not in opposition, send out a Call to Action stating such, but notifying others that there is a committee hearing upcoming and they can file slips if they so choose? There are so many people who get those calls to action, but aren't necessarily regular members here... and they may not know about the hearing.The ISRA has the call to action out already. There's also notices posted on Facebook and Twitter Not every member here is a member of the ISRA, nor does everyone who's on Facebook or Twitter follow them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGL Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:53 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:53 PM We should all be working together. Regardless of what in 2A we're fighting for, every bit counts. I support anything 2A, even if it's something that doesn't directly benefit me right now, it could later on or maybe interest me later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:56 PM Share Posted January 23, 2017 at 07:56 PM We should all be working together. Regardless of what in 2A we're fighting for, every bit counts. I support anything 2A, even if it's something that doesn't directly benefit me right now, it could later on or maybe interest me later on. ^This. I'd even be willing to wager that the majority of the bills that this site follows and urges witness slips for are for gun rights in general, not just specific to concealed carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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