InterestedBystander Posted August 21, 2018 at 08:37 PM Share Posted August 21, 2018 at 08:37 PM Full story at link https://wqad.com/2018/08/20/more-than-10000-foids-yet-to-be-renewed-from-june/ original articlehttps://www.ilnews.org/news/statewide/more-than-foids-yet-to-be-renewed-from-june/article_d34f8f82-a257-11e8-ad72-c35551a3eef4.html "Gov. Bruce Rauner signed a law Friday giving a 60-day grace period for gun owners to renew their state firearms identification cards and still own a firearm, but it wont help the thousands of gun owners that have let theirs expire."..."But it doesnt apply to 10,720 FOID card owners whose cards expired in June and havent been renewed as of Aug. 13. That information was obtained by Illinois News Network from the state police via a Freedom of Information Act request. Some FOID card holders may no longer have a need for the card or have moved out of state for instance, but ISP said it does check on whether a cardholder has died. The law signed on Friday only applies to FOID renewals that are filed before the card expires. These thousands of gun owners are now, technically, outlaws. The penalty is a slap on the wrist, until the new year, that is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted August 21, 2018 at 08:44 PM Share Posted August 21, 2018 at 08:44 PM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted August 21, 2018 at 08:57 PM Share Posted August 21, 2018 at 08:57 PM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuseAgree - who are the "outlaws"...Amazing how people try to abide by the law that the Legislature enacts - but then become criminals when the state doesn't do it's part.How do you win in this mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 21, 2018 at 09:53 PM Share Posted August 21, 2018 at 09:53 PM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuse So the state should force those people to re-apply? Or the ISP should send out renewed cards without a renewal application? Or just process applications that don't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod Posted August 21, 2018 at 10:29 PM Share Posted August 21, 2018 at 10:29 PM IL State police are just as useless as it's politicians. They spend more time harassing law abiding citizens than they do known criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted August 21, 2018 at 11:32 PM Share Posted August 21, 2018 at 11:32 PM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuseSo the state should force those people to re-apply? Or the ISP should send out renewed cards without a renewal application? Or just process applications that don't exist? No, they should do away with ti completely since it does nothing but harass the gun owner. Plus there is no excuse for it to take longer than what the law says it will except they won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 22, 2018 at 02:45 AM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 02:45 AM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuse So the state should force those people to re-apply? Or the ISP should send out renewed cards without a renewal application? Or just process applications that don't exist? No, they should do away with ti completely since it does nothing but harass the gun owner. Plus there is no excuse for it to take longer than what the law says it will except they won't do it. Well, that would be a completely different topic than the article in the OP. The article in the OP is basically just a statement that 10k people have not renewed their FOID since June and that the extended expiration date only applies to people who do apply for renewal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted August 22, 2018 at 10:56 AM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 10:56 AM What is the penalty changing to? "The penalty is a slap on the wrist, until the new year, that is." Answered my own question: Illinois law says an otherwise law-abiding gun owner is subject to a petty offense for possessing a gun with an expired card. The punishment is upped to a Class A Misdemeanor, $1,000 and up to a year in prison, if their card is more than six months expired and they’re caught in possession of a firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod Posted August 22, 2018 at 02:12 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 02:12 PM Jail, the answer to everything in the country ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted August 22, 2018 at 02:15 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 02:15 PM Completely absurd. Throw someone in jail for a year because they had a gun without getting special permission and pay a tax to the state in the form of a FOID card. Not sure how that could stand up in a legitimate court who follows the consititution of the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted August 22, 2018 at 03:54 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 03:54 PM The article in the OP is basically just a statement that 10k people have not renewed their FOID since June and that the extended expiration date only applies to people who do apply for renewal. I don't see that. I see that cards have expired without being renewed, I do not see mention of application for renewal, nor of failure to apply for renewal. And the effective date is 1 Jan 2019, which is mentioned in the bill status, but not in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 22, 2018 at 07:02 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 07:02 PM The article in the OP is basically just a statement that 10k people have not renewed their FOID since June and that the extended expiration date only applies to people who do apply for renewal.... I do not see mention of application for renewal, nor of failure to apply for renewal. ... The opening sentence Gov. Bruce Rauner signed a law Friday giving a 60-day grace period for gun owners to renew their state firearms identification cards and still own a firearm, but it won't help the thousands of gun owners that have let theirs expire.(Bold mine.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted August 22, 2018 at 07:46 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 07:46 PM The article in the OP is basically just a statement that 10k people have not renewed their FOID since June and that the extended expiration date only applies to people who do apply for renewal.... I do not see mention of application for renewal, nor of failure to apply for renewal....The opening sentenceGov. Bruce Rauner signed a law Friday giving a 60-day grace period for gun owners to renew their state firearms identification cards and still own a firearm, but it won't help the thousands of gun owners that have let theirs expire.(Bold mine.)That. It's not saying those applications expired while waiting on the renewal process... it's saying that over 10K people took no action and let their FOIDs expire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted August 22, 2018 at 08:01 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 08:01 PM I think it's more than possible that these two statements in the news article are in conflict:Gov. Bruce Rauner signed a law Friday giving a 60-day grace period for gun owners to renew their state firearms identification cards and still own a firearm, but it won’t help the thousands of gun owners that have let theirs expire. vsBut it doesn’t apply to 10,720 FOID card owners whose cards expired in June and haven’t been renewed as of Aug. 13. That information was obtained by Illinois News Network from the state police via a Freedom of Information Act request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 22, 2018 at 08:06 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 08:06 PM Illinois law says an otherwise law-abiding gun owner is subject to a petty offense for possessing a gun with an expired card. The punishment is upped to a Class A Misdemeanor, $1,000 and up to a year in prison if their card is more than six months expired and they’re caught in possession of a firearm. So petty offense first 6 months and then it becomes a misdemeanor. Has this penalty always been this way, or did it change with this new law Rauner signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 22, 2018 at 08:32 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 08:32 PM I think it's more than possible that these two statements in the news article are in conflict: ... Maybe it could be written better, but I think it's just trying to point out that expired means expired, unless there's an application for renewal, in which case expired means there's still 60 days left. ... So petty offense first 6 months and then it becomes a misdemeanor. Has this penalty always been this way, or did it change with this new law Rauner signed? It didn't change. The bill Rauner signed really did only 2 things: people who apply for renewal get an automatic 60-day extension to their expiration date, and the ISP can now suspend (and reinstate) FOIDs. Previously FOIDs were either valid or revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted August 22, 2018 at 09:39 PM Share Posted August 22, 2018 at 09:39 PM I think it's more than possible that these two statements in the news article are in conflict: ...Maybe it could be written better, but I think it's just trying to point out that expired means expired, unless there's an application for renewal, in which case expired means there's still 60 days left The application for renewal does not mean 60 days left now.Not until the new law goes into effect in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted August 23, 2018 at 02:58 AM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 02:58 AM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuse See, most laws for peons have negative consequences for noncompliance. The FCCA has Section 70, which outlines the penalties for violation. The UUW statute has a "Penalties" section that defines the potential sanctions one can be assigned by a judge or jury for a conviction. But the laws for the state? What penalty is there for a failure to issue a FOID within 30 days, or failing to issue a FCCL within 12 months of initial application with no official hearing being held? <crickets> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted August 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 12:21 PM Probably people who left the state. When (Yes, when) I move you can bet I'm not going to give this state any favors.Same here. I always laugh when someone posts on this site that they are leaving the state and turning in their FOID and CCL in to the state. I can't wait to leave and then it will be- F the state of Illinois. Hey IL, come and find me out of state to get your permission slips back and kiss me where the sun doesn't shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted August 23, 2018 at 12:54 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 12:54 PM Probably people who left the state. When (Yes, when) I move you can bet I'm not going to give this state any favors. Same here. I always laugh when someone posts on this site that they are leaving the state and turning in their FOID and CCL in to the state. I can't wait to leave and then it will be- F the state of Illinois. Hey IL, come and find me out of state to get your permission slips back and kiss me where the sun doesn't shine.If I ever happen to leave this state, I plan on filming a ceremonial burning of my FOID & CCL. If I get a letter telling me I have to turn them in, I'll just email them the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted August 23, 2018 at 02:47 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 02:47 PM Just got an email from ISRA saying NOT to renew FOID until 60 days before expiration. HB 4855 allows gun owners a 60-day grace period to keep their FOID card active while their renewal application is being processed, even if the processing period extends beyond the FOID card’s expiration date. Your renewal should not be submitted more than 60 days before your expiration date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted August 23, 2018 at 03:09 PM Share Posted August 23, 2018 at 03:09 PM Just got an email from ISRA saying NOT to renew FOID until 60 days before expiration. HB 4855 allows gun owners a 60-day grace period to keep their FOID card active while their renewal application is being processed, even if the processing period extends beyond the FOID card’s expiration date. Your renewal should not be submitted more than 60 days before your expiration date.No reason to wait until the 60 day mark if the renew button is there at 90... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted August 24, 2018 at 06:45 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 06:45 PM Probably people who left the state. When (Yes, when) I move you can bet I'm not going to give this state any favors. Ditto !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted August 24, 2018 at 09:26 PM Share Posted August 24, 2018 at 09:26 PM Perhaps this failure of the government to uphold its responsibility will be what we need to start chipping away at the FOID law. I can dream, can't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted August 25, 2018 at 12:38 PM Share Posted August 25, 2018 at 12:38 PM If I ever happen to leave this state, I plan on filming a ceremonial burning of my FOID & CCL. I still have my draft card... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottFM Posted August 25, 2018 at 01:22 PM Share Posted August 25, 2018 at 01:22 PM No excuse for this. NONE AT ALL! The state made this mess and they have to clean it up. No excuseAgreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoverGunner Posted August 25, 2018 at 04:51 PM Share Posted August 25, 2018 at 04:51 PM Some FOID card holders may no longer have a need for the card or have moved out of state for instance, but ISP said it does check on whether a cardholder has died. Wow why cant that be done with voter registries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted August 26, 2018 at 12:46 AM Share Posted August 26, 2018 at 12:46 AM Some FOID card holders may no longer have a need for the card or have moved out of state for instance, but ISP said it does check on whether a cardholder has died.Wow why cant that be done with voter registries Wha' - you wan' Chicawga to go Republican or sumfin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted August 26, 2018 at 01:58 AM Share Posted August 26, 2018 at 01:58 AM Some FOID card holders may no longer have a need for the card or have moved out of state for instance, but ISP said it does check on whether a cardholder has died. Wow why cant that be done with voter registries Why would Democrats reduce their voter rolls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted September 18, 2018 at 06:10 PM Share Posted September 18, 2018 at 06:10 PM Completely absurd. Throw someone in jail for a year because they had a gun without getting special permission and pay a tax to the state in the form of a FOID card. Not sure how that could stand up in a legitimate court who follows the consititution of the United States.It won't. Why else are the Democrats freaking out BIG TIME over Brett Kavanaugh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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