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#1 Molly B.

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 01:13 PM

Received this recently from a friend:

 

Gun Owners' Message To Law Enforcement:  Stand With Us!

 

 

“Bad men need no more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”                     – John Stuart Mill

 

 

Law-abiding American gun owners stand with law enforcement, and American law enforcement must stand with us.  Elitist politicians across the country are advancing draconian national, state, and local gun control schemes that will do nothing to deter criminal activity and will only undermine honest Americans'  natural right and responsibility to provide for their own safety and security.    

 

Participating in Second Amendment marches and rallies, calling and emailing  legislators, writing letters to the editor, and engaging in social media discussions are all worthy pursuits, but according to some studies only 30-40% of US households have firearms.  Gun owners are a minority in modern America and we need a new strategy if we hope to defeat bad public policy and defend Second Amendment civil liberties.  Responsible gun owners are also law enforcement's strongest support group and we, in turn, need—and deserve—law enforcement's public support of our interests.  We need law enforcement to stand with us!

 

Several times the best-known Second Amendment advocacy groups have been approached with a recommendation to draw law enforcement's unions and associations—their political organizations--into our camp, but those Second Amendment groups have for the most part been non-responsive.  In one case they said trying to get law enforcement into the public policy debate was “too hard,”  but  sometimes that which is hard is the thing most worth doing, and at this point what do we have to lose?  Law enforcement stand with us!

 

In April 2018 the Deerfield Illinois Village Board passed a sweeping ban on commonly used sporting arms and standard capacity magazines; what the board called “assault weapons” and “high capacity magazines.”  Not everyone in Deerfield was subject to the village's onerous ordinance, however.  Law enforcement officers' (LEOs) and retired LEOs' privately owned firearms were exempt.  That's worth repeating:  cops' and retired cops' personally owned gun collections were exempt from the ban.  The Deerfield ordinance  emotionally decries “...assault weapons are dangerous and unusual weapons which are commonly associated with the military..,” yet active and retired military personnel were granted no exemption from the ban.  That logic requires some mental gymnastics, or perhaps simply an acknowledgment law enforcement in Deerfield  are more politically astute and well connected, than military personnel and other law-abiding citizens.  In any case, the exemption bought law enforcement's silence, the village's cops were able to keep their personal gun collections, and the ordinance was approved by the village board. 

 

The Deerfield case is not unique, however.  The same exemptions for LEOs' and retired LEOs' privately owned firearms are seen at the state and local level throughout the country:  California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Boulder CO, Highland Park IL, and the list goes on.  All have LEO exemptions for privately owned firearms collections.  Those officers who are exempt from the laws and ordinances they are tasked to enforce will have a difficult time explaining their “above the law” status to the gun-owning taxpayers (and their friends and neighbors) in the communities they serve.  The exemptions must stop.  We are all equal citizens and should remain so under the law.  No law enforcement gun registration or ban exemptions.  Stand with us!

 

A fairly senior state level Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) member intimated his union is working with the police chiefs association in his state to better educate state law-makers on proposed gun control legislation.  He also said their groups' biggest problem was how the police will enforce the proposed new laws (which include a firearms registration and ban scheme, an elimination of private firearm sales among law-abiding citizens, and other measures) with a shortage of enforcement resources.  Their problem would be solved if they worked in concert with law-abiding gun owners to defeat bad legislation BEFORE it becomes law.  Eliminate the LEO exemptions and suddenly cops have tangible skin in the game—their private firearms collections—and additional incentive to actively and publicly oppose flawed legislation.

 

The FOP representative went on to say a large majority of FOP members support the Second Amendment and don't want to see law-abiding citizens punished.  When will  the national FOP, its state organizations, and the local police union lodges publicly speak out to reflect the majority views of their members?  When will they follow the courageous, principled, rational, and public stand taken by many of the nation's sheriffs?  The time is now.  Stand with us!

 

Police chiefs and sheriffs should publicly speak out against bad legislation and defend the free exercise of Second Amendment civil liberties by lawful, gun-owning Americans.  The police chiefs and sheriffs must ensure their respective associations reflect those views during the national, state, and local policy making processes, and refuse to be bought off with exemptions.  Perhaps most importantly, it's time for rank and file  and retired LEOs to insist their department leadership, union, and other political representatives reflect the rank and file's majority views—even if it means giving up their exemptions.  The time has passed to look on and do nothing.  Stand on principle.

 

With law enforcement's thoughtful, articulate and public backing we can avert the years of lengthy and expensive legal battles necessary to overturn bad legislation. We will also ensure all citizens enjoy equal protection under the law without carve outs for the politically clever and well-connected.  Most importantly, we will compel law-makers to focus their energies on effective public policy rather on emotionally charged, counterproductive, and tired schemes targeted at compliance-oriented and honest Americans.  Law enforcement:  Stand with us!

 


"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 01:45 PM

Most rank and file do from my experience. The political ones at the top are the problem. Most are left politicians in the areas where this is a concern, and they carve out the exceptions to keep the rank and file from getting upset. I agree with the sentiment but dont see how to break that circle. Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:01 PM

 

Police chiefs and sheriffs should publicly speak out against bad legislation and defend the free exercise of Second Amendment civil liberties by lawful, gun-owning Americans.  The police chiefs and sheriffs must ensure their respective associations reflect those views during the national, state, and local policy making processes, and refuse to be bought off with exemptions.  Perhaps most importantly, it's time for rank and file  and retired LEOs to insist their department leadership, union, and other political representatives reflect the rank and file's majority views—even if it means giving up their exemptions.  The time has passed to look on and do nothing.  Stand on principle.

 

Denny 15 is right.  Chiefs of police usually hold their positions at the pleasure of a mayor.  Sheriffs are usually elected and have some independence from a county board and/or chairman.  I see no reason to give up exemptions.  Solidarity could get one killed.  I sympathize with those in New York who have limited carry, but I am not going to stop carrying here and in every state that I can.  

 

I do not mean to sound hyper-critical of the piece.  It makes some very good points.  There are practical considerations, though.  Some of the senior LEOs could talk to the mayors in private.  



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:09 PM

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sure-recovery/201803/police-and-addiction        very interesting read


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Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:41 PM

Police are civilians and gun owners too. If citizens get disarmed that means their family members gonna be disarmed and unable to defend themselves and at the mercy of criminals and only criminals will have guns. It's in the best interest of police to oppose these Unconstitutional laws. Restrictions on police have already been put in place by the pandering Democrats and if civilians get disarmed they are next to be disarmed, imagine what they will do when their voters become the majority and they come to power.
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Posted 19 September 2019 - 02:41 PM

Police officers like their paychecks and want their pensions eventually. If their political overlords order them to do a distasteful task, they will do it.
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Posted 19 September 2019 - 03:01 PM

I would be very surprised to see any member of this forum, or any gun owner just roll over and give up their weapons. It won't happen and I doubt if the police will be breaking down doors to get them. The gun owners in this country are the largest army in the world.


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Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:23 PM

I would be very surprised to see any member of this forum, or any gun owner just roll over and give up their weapons. It won't happen and I doubt if the police will be breaking down doors to get them. The gun owners in this country are the largest army in the world.


That's right. People should learn from history what happens after the weapons are taken.
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Posted 19 September 2019 - 05:08 PM

Most rank and file do from my experience. The political ones at the top are the problem. Most are left politicians in the areas where this is a concern, and they carve out the exceptions to keep the rank and file from getting upset. I agree with the sentiment but dont see how to break that circle. Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk

 

Example, Tom Dart. Never an actual LEO.


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Who gets to keep and read books? The Media? Or is it the People?

 

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 05:54 PM

I agree.  LEO's got a carve out to carry while deer and turkey hunting earlier this year.

 

The owner of the land should be afforded the same.



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 07:46 PM

LWW mayor appoints a LWW chief of police.    And the Chiefs tend to have political aspirations so they become LWW politicians if successful. 


The Second Amendment of the Constitution protects the rest.

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 05:58 AM

Police officers like their paychecks and want their pensions eventually. If their political overlords order them to do a distasteful task, they will do it.

 

I agree with Euler.  Many will do the bidding of their overlords.  The salary and pension are too good to pass up.  For about 3 days.  The first day maybe 2 will be relatively easy.  After that lawful gun owners will group together for mutual protection.  After a few of those locations get raided, you will have a lot more trouble getting LEOs to willingly stand in the stack to make forced entry.



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 11:02 AM

 

I would be very surprised to see any member of this forum, or any gun owner just roll over and give up their weapons. It won't happen and I doubt if the police will be breaking down doors to get them. The gun owners in this country are the largest army in the world.


That's right. People should learn from history what happens after the weapons are taken.

 

https://www.youtube....L&index=55&t=0s


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 08:38 PM

I've seen that video before Mojo but it is good to remind people.  At least it seems as if the people in New Zealand are standing up to their government a bit.


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Posted 21 September 2019 - 02:08 PM

Excellent message!
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Posted 24 September 2019 - 12:20 PM

threaten to take away dat fat gubbament pension and alot of LEO's will end up doing whatever they are told.






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