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[bornhunter04]

Drylok, on 01 June 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

I can't help but think the same thing Bud. He let it run last May so why did he not let it run this time?

Ya know i was thinking the same thing. One would think he would much rather see it voted on and fail, then deal with the fallout....

Hopefully, we get a favorable ruling in the courts, after all this should just strengthen our arguments.

[skottieusa]

No pension deal...we just got some serious leverage back if the ccw coalition hangs tough and together.

[Drylok]

Just don't get your hopes up too high about the court next week. They will rig it and punt it to SCOTUS

[4thestars]

Drylok, on 01 June 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Just don't get your hopes up too high about the court next week. They will rig it and punt it to SCOTUS

Won't it have to end up with SCOTUS anyway to end the cycle of appeals?

[Drylok]

I guess there's a chance that if we won in the 7th, the state woudn't appeal but I bet they do in the hopes that Obama gets re-elected and Justice Kennedy retires or has a heart attack or something.

[Bud]

Here's what you really must understand about the (US) Supreme Courtl they don't have to take any case if they don't want to and that would mean the ASppeals court decision/order would stand.

The Maryland Appellate has already ruled in our favor and ordered the Circuit Court to re-do their decision on Maryland's concealed carry law.

If the 7th comes back with a similar decision, the Supreme Court is unlikely to accept an appeal from Lisa. That means the 7th decision would stand.

The Supremes very much prefer to rule when there are two opposed Applellate decisions so if we lose in the 7th, there is a very good chance that Supremes will hear the case (in order to decide the differences between the Maryland Decison and the Illinois decision)

We back slide on one front and we're getting ready to move forward on another front.

Learn some chess moves because that would explain a lot concerning what is going on.

Edited by Bud, 01 June 2012 - 08:34 AM.

[KingWalleye]

It doesn't matter that we had the votes necessary to pass. Madigan blocked it and when we woke up this morning we still don't have our Constitutional right to carry.

Bud, with all due respect, please stop telling us rtc will be the law of the land this year. Over the past year you have thrown out dates with great certainty and really you don't know anymore about this than anyone else.

Illinois will be the last state in the country to NOT pass ccw. I was told this almost twenty years ago and it still rings true.

[GarandFan]

Bud, on 01 June 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Here's what you really must understand about the (US) Supreme Courtl they don't have to take any case if they don't want to and that would mean the ASppeals court decision/order would stand.

The Maryland Appellate has already ruled in our favor and ordered the Circuit Court to re-do their decision on Maryland's concealed carry law.

If the 7th comes back with a similar decision, the Supreme Court is unlikely to accept an appeal from Lisa. That means the 7th decision would stand.

The Supremes very much prefer to rule when there are two opposed Applellate decisions so if we lose in the 7th, there is a very good chance that Supremes will hear the case (in order to decide the differences between the Maryland Decison and the Illinois decision)

Bud:

Just to be clear, the Maryland case you are talking about was called Woollard v. Sheridan.  That win was a District court decision, not an appellate (circuit) court decision.

In Maryland, there was a "good and substantial reason" burden that had to be met in order to receive a carry license.  The District court ruled that such a burden was not reasonably adapted to a substantial government interest, and thus found that portion of the Maryland law to be unconstitutional, and Woollard was entitled to summary judgment.  Yet in the cases pending before the 7th circuit court, there is no bar or burden to be met in getting a carry license.  It is a complete prohibition of the right to bear arms.

[Talonap]

Has anyone heard from Todd? Hope he's OK ... (As OK as can be expected anyway).

[snubjob]

KingWalleye, on 01 June 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

It doesn't matter that we had the votes necessary to pass. Madigan blocked it and when we woke up this morning we still don't have our Constitutional right to carry.

Bud, with all due respect, please stop telling us rtc will be the law of the land this year. Over the past year you have thrown out dates with great certainty and really you don't know anymore about this than anyone else.

Illinois will be the last state in the country to NOT pass ccw. I was told this almost twenty years ago and it still rings true.

I was told the same thing at about the same time. Didn't believe it then. Do now.

[sctman800]

Talonap, on 01 June 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Has anyone heard from Todd? Hope he's OK ... (As OK as can be expected anyway).

I have been wondering about this also.  I hope he is not laying somewhere unconsious from beating his head against a wall.  Jim.

[Jeepster]

KingWalleye, on 01 June 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

It doesn't matter that we had the votes necessary to pass. Madigan blocked it and when we woke up this morning we still don't have our Constitutional right to carry.

Bud, with all due respect, please stop telling us rtc will be the law of the land this year. Over the past year you have thrown out dates with great certainty and really you don't know anymore about this than anyone else.

Illinois will be the last state in the country to NOT pass ccw. I was told this almost twenty years ago and it still rings true.

It has got old, very old and Chicago can catch up when they decide they have had enough themselves and does something about the Chicago Mob.

[ming]

Anyone know what happened to the Task Force report?  Is it available online yet?

[Molly B.]

ming, on 01 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Anyone know what happened to the Task Force report?  Is it available online yet?

A draft of the report has been given to the committee members. When it is made public we will start a thread with the link.

[ming]

Molly B., on 01 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

ming, on 01 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Anyone know what happened to the Task Force report?  Is it available online yet?

A draft of the report has been given to the committee members. When it is made public we will start a thread with the link.

Thank you Molly B!

[Buzzard]

Molly B., on 01 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

ming, on 01 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Anyone know what happened to the Task Force report?  Is it available online yet?

A draft of the report has been given to the committee members. When it is made public we will start a thread with the link.

....and it just happened to be finished late why? Did Madigan have his hand in the works there too?

[miztic]

Buzzard, on 01 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

....and it just happened to be finished late why? Did Madigan have his hand in the works there too?

I thought that was crappy timing too, but surely he can't be THAT powerful? Todd would have known something was up if he was interfering in some way?

[pyre400]

Buzzard, on 01 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

....and it just happened to be finished late why? Did Madigan have his hand in the works there too?

After reading one of AB's posts, I'm thinking it was all just a diversion.  Something to eat up the clock while we patiently waited.

[Buzzard]

pyre400, on 01 June 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Buzzard, on 01 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

....and it just happened to be finished late why? Did Madigan have his hand in the works there too?

After reading one of AB's posts, I'm thinking it was all just a diversion.  Something to eat up the clock while we patiently waited.

Do you recall which post that was?

[pyre400]

Buzzard, on 01 June 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Do you recall which post that was?

Yes sir.  #196, earlier in this very thread:
http://illinoiscarry...ndpost&p=332005

[colt-45]

pyre400, on 01 June 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Buzzard, on 01 June 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

....and it just happened to be finished late why? Did Madigan have his hand in the works there too?

After reading one of AB's posts, I'm thinking it was all just a diversion.  Something to eat up the clock while we patiently waited.

i guess we will never know either. but i always thought that it was a scam, just never said so. i was hoping to be wrong. on to next years play.

Edited by colt-45, 01 June 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[pyre400]

colt-45, on 01 June 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

i guess we will never know either. but i always thought that it was a scam, just never said so. i was hoping to be wrong. on to next years play.

Maybe not?
Maybe there's some good stuff in there and we'll win some support as a result of it?
Maybe that's what the delay was about - who really knows?  We may find out when its published.
What I can say for sure; regardless of what the report says, I'm not going anywhere.  We're growing all the time, and we're "setting fires" every day.

[GuitarJedi]

Madigan will be gone one of these days. We call can agree that it would never be too soon. Look at it this way, we have them on the defensive they cant hold the dam of RTC supporters forever. I will never loose faith. Its hard these days after seeing what happened( or didnt.) One question I do have about the upcoming court of appeals is, what are the possible rulings? Difer again, higher up? rule in our favor? deny our right? any grey area in the middle? Thoughts?

[bmyers]

I have been quietly watching on the sidelines, but I thought I should take just a few seconds and say thanks to everyone for all their hard work. I know individually we have written and called our representatives, but I appreciated the ability to look at this website and stay up-to-date with what was going on.


Yes, I'm disappointed the bill didn't get a chance to be voted on, but I'm also encouraged that there are so many people working diligently to help secure the right to carry. I will continue to contact my representative and continue with my support of the NRA knowing that someday in the future (hopefully not to far in the future) that those that run this state will realize that criminals care less about their laws and the only ones they are hurting is the law abiding citizens.


Thank you for all your hard work.

[pyre400]

bmyers, on 02 June 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

I have been quietly watching on the sidelines, but I thought I should take just a few seconds and say thanks to everyone for all their hard work. I know individually we have written and called our representatives, but I appreciated the ability to look at this website and stay up-to-date with what was going on.


Yes, I'm disappointed the bill didn't get a chance to be voted on, but I'm also encouraged that there are so many people working diligently to help secure the right to carry. I will continue to contact my representative and continue with my support of the NRA knowing that someday in the future (hopefully not to far in the future) that those that run this state will realize that criminals care less about their laws and the only ones they are hurting is the law abiding citizens.


Thank you for all your hard work.

I'd like to echo your post, and welcome you too!  Thanks for being active, and for joining the site!
We're getting closer to carry, every day.

[Jeepster]

pyre400, on 02 June 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

We're getting closer to carry, every day.

I'd like to be opitmistic but, I heard that last year and even the year before over and over again. I think a comment concerning Concealed Carry in this state would be more appropiate if it was, "you'll believe it when you see it".

[ishmo]

Jeepster, on 02 June 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

pyre400, on 02 June 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

We're getting closer to carry, every day.

I'd like to be opitmistic but, I heard that last year and even the year before over and over again. I think a comment concerning Concealed Carry in this state would be more appropiate if it was, "you'll believe it when you see it".

I prefer to think of it as "you'll see it if you believe it".  Bit of a play on the words but it helps keep my spirits up and my blood pressure down.  

[ilphil]

I think this session was our last best hope for a legislative solution to our RTC dilemma. The way the deck was stacked in favor of the Dems in the recent redistricting Madigan & Co are assured control of Springfield for the next 10 yrs.

I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but I will...everytime you vote for that downstate Dem you vote to keep Madigan in control and you vote to continue the denial of our God given right to defend ourselves.

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!! Sometimes far beyond the obvious ones.

[FarmHand357]

I would still submit that Madigan and his cronies feared the results of the Ford Task Force report.  If the report was looking positive for RTC, that would explain the sudden activity on 3881 to distract from and delay the submission of the draft report.

We'll have a much clearer picture when we get to see the report and see if that explains at least some of Madigan's reluctance to allow a vote on SB 2539.

CORRECTION:  Just read Todd's post that it was not looking like the report would provide the needed votes, therefore there was no real need to hurry it.  Cr@p.

Edited by FarmHand357, 02 June 2012 - 09:25 PM.