wtr100 Posted February 6, 2018 at 04:54 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 04:54 PM We have some 1187 shotguns at camp getting cracks in the receiver. The powers that be feel it most appropriate to cut the receivers in half and scrap them. Their concern is how to document this - my thought is just record the serial number and the date it was cut a be done with it. Am I missing anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:02 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:02 PM We have some 1187 shotguns at camp getting cracks in the receiver. The powers that be feel it most appropriate to cut the receivers in half and scrap them. Their concern is how to document this - my thought is just record the serial number and the date it was cut a be done with it. Am I missing anything? Maybe a photo of the destroyed item to go with the memo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlin Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:23 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:23 PM Why not save them until the next gun buy back program near you,turn them in,and get some money or gift cards for the camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8IL Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:36 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:36 PM As a seller only requirement is 10 years. I would record the date of destruction and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:39 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:39 PM Why not save them until the next gun buy back program near you,turn them in,and get some money or gift cards for the camp?This and when turned in there are no questions asked I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:42 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 05:42 PM I guess my question would be if the firearm was destroyed it is not capable of being used and show up, lets say for instance in a crime where the trace would yield it being purchased by you, why would you need a record of the gun at all? What am I missing? If it does not exist anymore it does not exist that is it. Is there some law that says you have to report a destroyed firearm? I thought you only had to report a lost or stolen firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted February 6, 2018 at 06:27 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 06:27 PM I guess my question would be if the firearm was destroyed it is not capable of being used and show up, lets say for instance in a crime where the trace would yield it being purchased by you, why would you need a record of the gun at all? What am I missing? If it does not exist anymore it does not exist that is it. Is there some law that says you have to report a destroyed firearm? I thought you only had to report a lost or stolen firearm. My thoughts too. As mentioned by "the powers" in the OP, cut the receivers in half. Maybe use a sledgehammer on the barrels for more complete destruction of the shotguns before scraping. That should keep any semblance of a weapon being used in a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted February 6, 2018 at 08:00 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 08:00 PM Are the parts interchangeable with the new Remington 1187s ? If they are I would save all the parts including the stocks and barrels and see if you can sell them off to some online parts seller. Assuming they aren't all completely worn out and worthless. Lots of times with shotguns those older parts are worth something to people because they aren't cast or polymer. People go out of their way to replace the new parts with the older parts. Also assuming the old parts aren't also known for being poorly made garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted February 6, 2018 at 09:28 PM Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 09:28 PM Why not save them until the next gun buy back program near you,turn them in,and get some money or gift cards for the camp? don't really have them down here. more of a pain in the butt than it's worth honestly we'll save the parts - bolts and such - maybe try and sell the barrels and stocks I'm just looking for other people's thoughts - If it was me I'd just cut the receivers in half right through the ser# and send them with the annual load of scrap but Property Committee and Risk Management Committee would like a bit more done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted February 6, 2018 at 11:12 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 11:12 PM Part them out and destroy ONLY the serialized recievers. Record serial numbers and date destroyed if you want to, or if you have to "satisfy a committee". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeEye Posted February 6, 2018 at 11:33 PM Share Posted February 6, 2018 at 11:33 PM Move to WI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 7, 2018 at 12:27 AM Share Posted February 7, 2018 at 12:27 AM An agency I worked for years ago had to destroy several revolvers. They took them to a local gunsmith who cut the frame into pieces with a band saw. The gunsmith returned the chunk of cut-up frame that had the serial number intact, which we kept for our records, along with a written statement from the gunsmith. To be honest, I would make an inquiry with the ATF about how to go about this. A friend of mine lost several firearms in a fire at his gunshop. He consulted with them about destroying the firearms that weren't salvageable. It's sad that you have to destroy them. It's almost like destroying a US Flag that is no longer serviceable. Regrettable, but necessary. -- Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted February 7, 2018 at 01:12 AM Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 at 01:12 AM An agency I worked for years ago had to destroy several revolvers. They took them to a local gunsmith who cut the frame into pieces with a band saw. The gunsmith returned the chunk of cut-up frame that had the serial number intact, which we kept for our records, along with a written statement from the gunsmith. To be honest, I would make an inquiry with the ATF about how to go about this. A friend of mine lost several firearms in a fire at his gunshop. He consulted with them about destroying the firearms that weren't salvageable. It's sad that you have to destroy them. It's almost like destroying a US Flag that is no longer serviceable. Regrettable, but necessary. -- Frank rem 1187 with well north of 15k rounds through them - they're each getting a crack running back from the slot where the bolt handle moves back I wonder if a new spring at the 10k rouind mark or so would have made a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted February 7, 2018 at 02:27 PM Share Posted February 7, 2018 at 02:27 PM An agency I worked for years ago had to destroy several revolvers. They took them to a local gunsmith who cut the frame into pieces with a band saw. The gunsmith returned the chunk of cut-up frame that had the serial number intact, which we kept for our records, along with a written statement from the gunsmith. To be honest, I would make an inquiry with the ATF about how to go about this. A friend of mine lost several firearms in a fire at his gunshop. He consulted with them about destroying the firearms that weren't salvageable. It's sad that you have to destroy them. It's almost like destroying a US Flag that is no longer serviceable. Regrettable, but necessary. -- Frank rem 1187 with well north of 15k rounds through them - they're each getting a crack running back from the slot where the bolt handle moves back I wonder if a new spring at the 10k rouind mark or so would have made a difference 15K is nothing. I wouldn't have expected problems before 150K assuming proper use and maintenence. springs might have kept them in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted February 7, 2018 at 03:14 PM Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 at 03:14 PM An agency I worked for years ago had to destroy several revolvers. They took them to a local gunsmith who cut the frame into pieces with a band saw. The gunsmith returned the chunk of cut-up frame that had the serial number intact, which we kept for our records, along with a written statement from the gunsmith. To be honest, I would make an inquiry with the ATF about how to go about this. A friend of mine lost several firearms in a fire at his gunshop. He consulted with them about destroying the firearms that weren't salvageable. It's sad that you have to destroy them. It's almost like destroying a US Flag that is no longer serviceable. Regrettable, but necessary. -- Frank rem 1187 with well north of 15k rounds through them - they're each getting a crack running back from the slot where the bolt handle moves back I wonder if a new spring at the 10k rouind mark or so would have made a difference 15K is nothing. I wouldn't have expected problems before 150K assuming proper use and maintenence. springs might have kept them in service. the 1187's have been a disappointment, We have two of our original 1100's from who know's when that are going strong. Our 870's from roughly the same vintage as the 1187's are in good shape as well. While the ser# on the 1187 aren't consecutive they're within maybe 50 of each other so maybe we got some from a bad lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted February 7, 2018 at 10:32 PM Share Posted February 7, 2018 at 10:32 PM I know a guy that put 275k through an 870 trap gun before the receiver started cracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted February 8, 2018 at 01:50 AM Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 at 01:50 AM I know a guy that put 275k through an 870 trap gun before the receiver started cracking. not all guns are equal I guess, our 870's are going pretty strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thobart Posted February 8, 2018 at 05:35 PM Share Posted February 8, 2018 at 05:35 PM most police agencies will accept turned in guns. Just turn them in and keep the records of it and be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted February 8, 2018 at 06:15 PM Share Posted February 8, 2018 at 06:15 PM Are the parts interchangeable with the new Remington 1187s ? If they are I would save all the parts including the stocks and barrels and see if you can sell them off to some online parts seller. Assuming they aren't all completely worn out and worthless. Lots of times with shotguns those older parts are worth something to people because they aren't cast or polymer. People go out of their way to replace the new parts with the older parts. Also assuming the old parts aren't also known for being poorly made garbage. Hmm. I could use a clean 1187 "mag tube" to replace one that's jacked up but functioning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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