DuPage 4/29 Gun Show; Protest and possibly last fairground show

[InterestedBystander]

Friends Who March...again

 

Sunday April 29

 

*April Gun Show Protest

10am-12pm

Wheaton

https://www.facebook.com/events/565229930508912/

 

* Handmaids Unite for Gun Reform

10am-noon

Wheaton

https://www.facebook.com/events/142034729961890/

[SycamoreRuger]

Handmaids, you say?

[.40carry]

The Handmaids are to stand silently in solidarity with the supporters of gun reform. There will be Antis there. DO NOT ENGAGE w them. They want to argue. They have nothing of worth to hear. Just stand against them & ignore.

 

 

We will once again go to express our Constitutional right to peaceful protest & will not engage w the pro gun people. They will try to get in your face & intimidate you so be warned. Bring whatever sign you like. If you are a lawyer please attend as we clearly need someone who can protect our rights as the Wheaton PD did not care about us at the last protest.

 

Sounds like a real open minded group.

[45Badger]

Just ignore them. I left before they showed up at last show. The pro gun crew of patriotic protesters were not gonna win any prizes or change hearts and minds. If you cannot control your urge to get on camera or be seen across the street, please-

 

Bathe

Comb your hair

Shave

Dress nicely (not your best cammies/hoodie)

Don’t wave a flag (it ain’t the Alamo and yer not Davey Crockett)

Don’t yell

Don’t talk to polite strangers or others holding cameras

 

 

 

 

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[Euler]

... If you cannot control your urge to get on camera or be seen across the street, please- Bathe Comb your hair Shave Dress nicely (not your best cammies/hoodie) Don’t wave a flag (it ain’t the Alamo and yer not Davey Crockett) Don’t yell Don’t talk to polite strangers or others holding cameras

No one is going to change the minds of protesters. The idea would be to change the minds of people reading the paper or watching news on TV. So for that, yeah, look sane. Considering the point of protesting is to be seen (or covered by news media), sane people do need to engage the press. If you call a reporter "you liberal fuckhead," again yeah, expect to be quoted, and you just convinced 1,000 people to support AWBs.

[steveTA84]

The best way to beat them is to infiltrate them and share their plans and conversations. They say some REALLY nasty stuff

[steveTA84]

They are hoping that pro-gun people interact with them to cause a scene........

 

http://i.imgur.com/1p73Vdvl.jpg

 

 

And yes, my “troll” will be “going”

[Euler]

 

If you are a lawyer please attend as we clearly need someone who can protect our rights as the Wheaton PD did not care about us at the last protest.

 

They are hoping that pro-gun people interact with them to cause a scene........

I think what they mean is that they want someone who can make the cops shut down any counter-protest just because it's a counter-protest, because the cops didn't do that the last time.

 

... like the cops are going to act the way they want because there's a lawyer explaining the law on-scene.

[45Badger]

Like I said, ignore them. Enjoy the gun show. Wave politely as you drive out.

 

In the realm of media coverage and public perception, we usually do our side more harm (by opening our mouths and waving flags) than the antis do by showing up and trying to look meaningful.

 

 

 

 

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[steveTA84]

If you are a lawyer please attend as we clearly need someone who can protect our rights as the Wheaton PD did not care about us at the last protest.

 

They are hoping that pro-gun people interact with them to cause a scene........

I think what they mean is that they want someone who can make the cops shut down any counter-protest just because it's a counter-protest, because the cops didn't do that the last time.... like the cops are going to act the way they want because there's a lawyer explaining the law on-scene.

 

Ever been on the scene undercover with these groups??? They LOVE confrontation by opponents, as they like to catch agitated people and try to provoke them to start a fight. Then, if they agitate someone enough to throw a punch BOOM! Call cops and get them arrested for battery. I’ve never been with either of these two groups, but the tactics are usually the same. They could be legitimately peacefully protesting, and fine, that’s their right, but gotta remember, leftists lack reasoning......

[steveTA84]

Like I said, ignore them. Enjoy the gun show. Wave politely as you drive out.

 

In the realm of media coverage and public perception, we usually do our side more harm (by opening our mouths and waving flags) than the antis do by showing up and trying to look meaningful.

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, “wave” lol

 

http://i.imgur.com/IvHvV9O.jpg

[mic6010]

Yeah....just remember the people you're potentially gonna be out there counter protesting for voluntarily took an anti gun stance and banned certain guns from being sold at their show.

They sold your culture down the river to keep the show running so they could keep making a profit. They showed the anti gunners the results that they wanted and gave them merit in their argument.

That's who you're supporting. I say let them reap what they have sown. This is not a fight that's gonna be won by people that concede the field in order to gain a little more time.

And just days after the memorial of the biggest reminder we ever needed.

Real patriots die on the field for what they believe in. Entities that operate like slang terms for female genitalia aren't gonna do anything for ya. Mark my words.

[Euler]

 

 

They are hoping that pro-gun people interact with them to cause a scene........

I think what they mean is that they want someone who can make the cops shut down any counter-protest just because it's a counter-protest, because the cops didn't do that the last time....

like the cops are going to act the way they want because there's a lawyer explaining the law on-scene.

 

... They LOVE confrontation by opponents, as they like to catch agitated people and try to provoke them to start a fight. Then, if they agitate someone enough to throw a punch BOOM! Call cops and get them arrested for battery. ...

 

Do they really need a lawyer to be able to bait someone into a fight?

[biggun 1]

handmaids,handjobs---whatever,bunch of strokes.

[markthesignguy]

I think you need to look deeper, in current culture.

They are supposed to be (unless we are being spoofed - a real possibility) dressed in red cloaks and white bonnets.

VERY ironic, because in the books, plays and movies those such female individuals are oppressed:

 

In the Republic of Gilead—which once was Cambridge, Massachusetts, until the state was overthrown by a theocratic, totalitarian regime—women are defined solely by their assigned roles and the men who govern them. Wives, Daughters, Aunts, Marthas, Econowives, and Handmaids live to serve their male counterparts; their free will and reproductive rights have been stripped in an attempt to restore life and order to the mostly infertile republic. Most post-1980s high school students—those whose libraries didn’t ban the book, anyway—will recognize Gilead from The Handmaid’s Tale, a 1985 work of speculative fiction by famed writer and environmental activist Margaret Atwood.

 

That remark about High School Libraries that didn't ban the book? It pushed eroticism into the realm of Pornography.

 

Dressed in Red Cloaks and Big White Bonnets? Thus anyone not costumed will be instantly distinguishable. Well if they stay in character, they should be silent and non-interactive.

 

YET, some of them appear to wear bulletproof vests with body cameras. Why? Because they intend to bait opponents into violence.

 

And they are well versed in where the line lays in verbally baiting people into rash action.

 

Trying to use the "fighting words" premise in defense of battery will be a real problem.

 

And finally - remember that this is a SOCIAL EVENT to them - a COSTUME PARTY.

 

Violence and the attendant media coverage is their goal.

[Euler]

... some of them appear to wear bulletproof vests ...

OMG, quick, ban body armor ...

[Smallbore]

It is a sad day when Americans are advised not to wave our beautiful flag.

[mauserme]

C'mon, guys.

 

I don't care what kind of hand gestures you do out your own windows but we don't need them here. The forum is our window to the world. Use it wisely.

[45Badger]

C'mon, guys.I don't care what kind of hand gestures you do out your own windows but we don't need them here. The forum is our window to the world. Use it wisely.

 

Unfortunately, that happens every day when rookies think they are smart enough to engage folks holding all the communications cards. We end up looking like scary idiots/losers, voting soccer moms move another step away from our rights and we wonder why nobody “gets it”.

 

Maybe Todd can chime in on the most effective way to manage the conversation and present ourselves in public media.

 

To the flag wavers- wave away, but don’t delude yourself into thinking it does anything but make you feel good. Maybe you’re somehow superior to the other idiots across the street? I doubt it. On the news, you look like a doofus and nobody changes their mind based on that imagery.

 

 

 

 

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[mauserme]

I'm specifically referring to "gestures" involving the hands.

[45Badger]

I'm specifically referring to "gestures" involving the hands.

 

I know. When one of our guys flips off protesters, it makes us look like idiots. Most of the emotional reactions, responses, and statements our side make us look like idiots to normal, “center right” suburban voters. Especially the soccer moms and grannies.

 

 

 

 

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[steveTA84]

Here’s the president of “friends who march”. interesting. Head of the Steven Avery Project.....

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/CetVhfI.jpg

 

 

Profile pic is not her, but she had photos on her page

[steveTA84]

Press will be there. Dont fall for the trap should they egg you on if youre going

 

http://i.imgur.com/wqftaUU.jpg

[G214me]

It is a sad day when Americans are advised not to wave our beautiful flag.

 

 

C'mon, guys.I don't care what kind of hand gestures you do out your own windows but we don't need them here. The forum is our window to the world. Use it wisely.

Unfortunately, that happens every day when rookies think they are smart enough to engage folks holding all the communications cards. We end up looking like scary idiots/losers, voting soccer moms move another step away from our rights and we wonder why nobody “gets it”.

 

Maybe Todd can chime in on the most effective way to manage the conversation and present ourselves in public media.

 

To the flag wavers- wave away, but don’t delude yourself into thinking it does anything but make you feel good. Maybe you’re somehow superior to the other idiots across the street? I doubt it. On the news, you look like a doofus and nobody changes their mind based on that imagery.

 

 

 

 

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Here's a good way to deal with media and get the right image out.... Be dressed nice, be very friendly and well spoken. Be where the media is so you can get in front of a camera and when asked questions make a very genuine statement about how you admire the anti gun protestors for exercising their right to protest and would like them to take time to check out the show and the attendees and see that we are not only law abiding but we too are very concerned about the criminal misuse of firearms and finding ways to end it such as stiffer penalties for criminals and gangs, HELPING those with mental illness or those who are bullied before it get's out of hand. Answer any questions with statements mentioning coming together and addressing the the REAL problems while preserving EVERYONES Constitutional rights. If the reporter asks a bait question about "assault weapons" smile and tell them that that blaming inanimate objects rather than focusing on the problems is why we're so divided and why such tragedy continues and we need more than costumes and demands for ending EVERYONES rights to find a solution.

 

As far as flag wavers go, It does more than make someone feel superior to the "idiots" across the street, it shows pride in our country and our way of life. well spoken people talking about working on the real problems while American flags fly in the background probably won't scare away anyone, that's the imagery we need. The reporter can then go across the street and get the angry "end the 2nd Amendment " response from someone in a costume and that's the imagery we also need to show they have no ideas and no sense of reason.

[InterestedBystander]

Wonder if the PVSA will be doing the AR and accessory display ban again? Their media communication last time was flawed with mixed messages from different people saying different things.

 

Last show people came up to the South glass doors entrance and were trying to take photos through the glass. PVSA orange hats came over and sent them away.

[steveTA84]

It is a sad day when Americans are advised not to wave our beautiful flag.

 

 

 

C'mon, guys.I don't care what kind of hand gestures you do out your own windows but we don't need them here. The forum is our window to the world. Use it wisely.

 

Unfortunately, that happens every day when rookies think they are smart enough to engage folks holding all the communications cards. We end up looking like scary idiots/losers, voting soccer moms move another step away from our rights and we wonder why nobody “gets it”.

Maybe Todd can chime in on the most effective way to manage the conversation and present ourselves in public media.

To the flag wavers- wave away, but don’t delude yourself into thinking it does anything but make you feel good. Maybe you’re somehow superior to the other idiots across the street? I doubt it. On the news, you look like a doofus and nobody changes their mind based on that imagery.

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Here's a good way to deal with media and get the right image out.... Be dressed nice, be very friendly and well spoken. Be where the media is so you can get in front of a camera and when asked questions make a very genuine statement about how you admire the anti gun protestors for exercising their right to protest and would like them to take time to check out the show and the attendees and see that we are not only law abiding but we too are very concerned about the criminal misuse of firearms and finding ways to end it such as stiffer penalties for criminals and gangs, HELPING those with mental illness or those who are bullied before it get's out of hand. Answer any questions with statements mentioning coming together and addressing the the REAL problems while preserving EVERYONES Constitutional rights. If the reporter asks a bait question about "assault weapons" smile and tell them that that blaming inanimate objects rather than focusing on the problems is why we're so divided and why such tragedy continues and we need more than costumes and demands for ending EVERYONES rights to find a solution.

 

As far as flag wavers go, It does more than make someone feel superior to the "idiots" across the street, it shows pride in our country and our way of life. well spoken people talking about working on the real problems while American flags fly in the background probably won't scare away anyone, that's the imagery we need. The reporter can then go across the street and get the angry "end the 2nd Amendment " response from someone in a costume and that's the imagery we also need to show they have no ideas and no sense of reason.

 

Good post and great idea.

[Twostarrz]

I think we should invite one or all of them inside to try and buy any firearm inside using the “gun show loophole” offer to pay their $5 entry fee. Maybe credible first hand investigation on their part would be a better persuasion than harsh words thrown across a street? The problem with so many anti 2nd people is that they are misinformed. Offer them the fact that while 30,000 people die each year from guns (most are suicide) the CDC reports that guns are used to save at a minimum 500,000 and as many as 3,000,000 lives per year. That is not including the times a gun is used as a deterrent through brandishing, it only includes when a gun is discharged to stop violent crime.

[45Badger]

I think we should invite one or all of them inside to try and buy any firearm inside using the “gun show loophole” offer to pay their $5 entry fee. Maybe credible first hand investigation on their part would be a better persuasion than harsh words thrown across a street? The problem with so many anti 2nd people is that they are misinformed. Offer them the fact that while 30,000 people die each year from guns (most are suicide) the CDC reports that guns are used to save at a minimum 500,000 and as many as 3,000,000 lives per year. That is not including the times a gun is used as a deterrent through brandishing, it only includes when a gun is discharged to stop violent crime.

 

Data source on the CDC comment? I thought CDC was barred from studying gun violence/use data.

 

Funny how Illinois folks have become so conditioned by the FOID system that we think our way is the way the rest of the world operates. The “loophole” in America (as opposed to Illinois) is private sales. Gun shows are just a venue that enabled broader market for private sales. The internet (armslist, Craigslist, forums) has expanded that exponentially. It exists. And that’s a good thing.

 

 

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[steveTA84]

I think we should invite one or all of them inside to try and buy any firearm inside using the gun show loophole offer to pay their $5 entry fee. Maybe credible first hand investigation on their part would be a better persuasion than harsh words thrown across a street? The problem with so many anti 2nd people is that they are misinformed. Offer them the fact that while 30,000 people die each year from guns (most are suicide) the CDC reports that guns are used to save at a minimum 500,000 and as many as 3,000,000 lives per year. That is not including the times a gun is used as a deterrent through brandishing, it only includes when a gun is discharged to stop violent crime.

Extremely low chance of turning anyone. They have their mind made up. Most (more like all) of these types that are active in a gun control group are unwilling to budge,except for the younger kids and people in their early 20s. You are not going to win over the majority of them, no matter what facts and logic you use. That said, just asking/offering does not hurt at all, just dont expect anyone to take you up on it

[Twostarrz]

 

I think we should invite one or all of them inside to try and buy any firearm inside using the “gun show loophole” offer to pay their $5 entry fee. Maybe credible first hand investigation on their part would be a better persuasion than harsh words thrown across a street? The problem with so many anti 2nd people is that they are misinformed. Offer them the fact that while 30,000 people die each year from guns (most are suicide) the CDC reports that guns are used to save at a minimum 500,000 and as many as 3,000,000 lives per year. That is not including the times a gun is used as a deterrent through brandishing, it only includes when a gun is discharged to stop violent crime.

Data source on the CDC comment? I thought CDC was barred from studying gun violence/use data.

 

Funny how Illinois folks have become so conditioned by the FOID system that we think our way is the way the rest of the world operates. The “loophole” in America (as opposed to Illinois) is private sales. Gun shows are just a venue that enabled broader market for private sales. The internet (armslist, Craigslist, forums) has expanded that exponentially. It exists. And that’s a good thing.

 

 

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