TyGuy Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:09 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:09 PM Good for you Ares Armor. http://fox5sandiego..../#axzz2vqJVQLoO OCEANSIDE, Calif. – An Oceanside store that sells various gun parts to build a rifle from scratch warded off a federal raid Wednesday. Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents were investigating their business, not for what they sell, but for the people who purchase their products.http://tribkswb.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/80-percent-lower-receiver.png?w=300&h=168Karras said the ATF threatened to shutter their business if they didn’t hand over the names of 5,000 customers who have purchased an 80 percent lower receiver (the base) for building an AR-15.It is legal to build a rifle from scratch without serial numbers only if the base is manufactured to ATF specifications. The base is not considered a firearm if it’s sold separately.A manufacturer made an 80 percent receiver in plastic with a different material and colors which show exactly where the customer can drill making it easier and cheaper to build. The ATF said it is illegal.The ATF sent stores, including Ares Armor, letters demanding they turn over the products and names of customers who purchased them.“They said either give us these 5000 names or we are coming in and taking pretty much anything – which is a huge privacy concern and something we are not willing to do,” said Karras.Karras’s attorney informed the ATF to pick up the receivers Wednesday morning at their Oceanside location, but the inventory was not the issue. The store owner said he will not comply with turning over their private client list.“They were going to search all of our facilities and confiscate our computer and pretty much shut our business down,” said Karras. “The government invades our privacy on a daily basis and everyone thinks its ok. This is one of those situations where hopefully the governmental institutions will come in say this is protected and no you’re not taking it from them.”In anticipation of a raid, they filed a temporary restraining order against the ATF, stopping them from confiscating their property, Karras said. The ATF has a certain amount of time to respond. If the two parties do not reach a compromise, they will be in court for a preliminary hearing March 20 Read more: http://fox5sandiego.com/2014/03/12/gun-store-owner-halts-federal-raid/#ixzz2vrc279Cg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPD5408 Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:31 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:31 PM Been watching this closely or as close as one can from Illinois. The city there has tried for a while to close then down. The ATF stopped there 80% lower build parties. If you go to there website they have a somewhat detailed account of the harassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:47 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:47 PM Good for Ares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:52 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 05:52 PM This is going to get interesting, as once again it appears the ATF is changing the rules on the fly and arbitrarily to suit their agenda that is most likely based on a political agenda of the region... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRDave Posted March 13, 2014 at 06:20 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 06:20 PM Are they talking about these EP lowers? http://www.youtube.c...-FTZTiJ37c#t=57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave D Posted March 13, 2014 at 06:53 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 06:53 PM Are they talking about these EP lowers? http://www.youtube.c...-FTZTiJ37c#t=57 Yes, atf says the plastic is making it too easy to build... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted March 13, 2014 at 06:54 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 06:54 PM but but but I thought the police would never ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake8267 Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:19 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:19 PM So let me get this straight, metal 80% all good, polymer illegal? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave D Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:39 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:39 PM Yep, thats the video I seen earlier from a news station near them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:40 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:40 PM The ATF is falsely and wrongly claiming they are making functional firearms and then filling in the machined voids with a different color plastic and calling it an 80%... When in fact the different colored plug is made first and the surrounding blank is molded onto that, at no time is it ever beyond the long ATF established and approved "80%" non-gun stage... http://www.thetrutha...s-atf-raid-now/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecker Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:48 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 07:48 PM From everything I've seen and read I believe that Dimitri is the real deal. I don't imagine going down without a literal fight. Good on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted March 13, 2014 at 08:23 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 08:23 PM A legal business does not comply with an illegal request/threat from the ATF... It's a shame this is "news". It should be business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield Posted March 13, 2014 at 08:36 PM Share Posted March 13, 2014 at 08:36 PM This administration never ceases to amaze me, what a .u.... Joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShawn Posted March 14, 2014 at 12:39 AM Share Posted March 14, 2014 at 12:39 AM . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom28 Posted March 14, 2014 at 01:17 AM Share Posted March 14, 2014 at 01:17 AM They started getting trouble from the city when they put up a picture of a scary AR 15 on a billboard on the side of their building. The city had cops stop by to tell them take it down. When that didn't work they sent building inspectors to see if they had any code violations. That didn't work. I guess this the cities next step. Ares has resisted all the way. Good for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimGiblin Posted March 14, 2014 at 01:29 AM Share Posted March 14, 2014 at 01:29 AM I deployed with their head t/e guy John Zumallan. We called him Sgt Z he really redefined how I think and apply myself. Custom made my body armor after I got hurt to be a brace kept me going in the USMC 2 more years. Awesome company 100% combat veteran owned and operated, they won't ever stop fighting. They are Marines they don't know how. Loctite/paint pen/regularly check your gear. A gun falling off your belt is unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPD5408 Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM Share Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM Reports are they were raided today by the ATF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:40 PM Share Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:40 PM Violating the court order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom28 Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM Share Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM From what I read they just went in to confiscate the 80% lowers. Didnt get any names due to the court order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM I think today's reports are wrong Tapa-what? Tapatalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM Author Share Posted March 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM I think the video is from earlier this week and mislabeled. Tapa-what? Tapatalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeHaveRights Posted March 16, 2014 at 12:11 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 12:11 AM http://weaselzippers.us/179529-breaking-ares-armor-raided-by-atf-for-customer-files-despite-restraining-order-from-judge/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu69 Posted March 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 12:30 AM Looks to me like it was a raid, especially after seeing that broken door lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightMyFire Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:45 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:45 AM Here is the video of them actually breaking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:46 AM Author Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:46 AM Ares put out info on their FB. It's true. Damn. Tapa-what? Tapatalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightMyFire Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:50 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:50 AM This is a video about the city harassing the Ares armor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzBkcUZnm-w Here is an update video, an interview with the owner about his interactions with the atf posted 1 day before the raid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBVzsfF_wIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protean Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:54 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 04:54 AM Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightMyFire Posted March 16, 2014 at 05:08 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 05:08 AM this is what the owner said about an hour ago, update: The ATF did execute a search warrant against all of our buildings today. None of our employees have been detained or arrested. We will be open for business tomorrow. We will be back up and shipping out orders on Monday. We wholeheartedly believe that they are WRONG in their actions and we will be relentlessly pursuing remedy through the courts. Quote from an ATF Agent during the raid "searching is fun! paper work sucks." Maybe the ATF thinks the Constitution is part of that paper work that sucks... Despicable behavior on their part. This is just the beginning! Thank you all for the support! -Dimitrios Karras, CEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted March 16, 2014 at 05:35 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 05:35 AM That time is getting nearer. What was taken in the raid? Just inventory, or customer records? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted March 16, 2014 at 06:13 AM Share Posted March 16, 2014 at 06:13 AM The rule of law means nothing to these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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