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  1. That is companion legislation to this which I am evaluating: HB 5555. This is sponsored by Representative Mary Gill from Beverely. I may do a separate post to keep discussion from not venturing off too much. MDA is aiming on watering down FCCL. Full stop. 3239 is the first step. The second step is determining which containers in a vehicle are not "appropriate". They are aiming at getting rid of the "safe" zone provision requiring people to have trigger locks or similar devices. They are taking the complex calculus of PICA and are now going to attempt doing that amending FCCL to make compliance as complicated as possible. At first glance, this seems reasonable. You are leaving your vehicle unattended. Storing firearms. But when you weigh everyday carriage of firearms and the obvious penalties of exposing firearms to continually be in compliance with FCCL this is an attempt at destroying the broad protections of FCCL and the "safe" zone exemption. They do not define what constitutes an "unattended" vehicle. You could not comply with this legislation because the glove box or center console have now been defined as not proper. Which means a person could face criminal sanctions even with a locking or similar device. So taking your holstered weapon and putting it in the center console which locks? too bad - you will now face a Class A Misdemeanor, the same as a DUI if you try that, even if you can lock either the center console or glove box. Even if you carry a firearm on your person you could still face criminal sanction, because you will have no 'secure' place to store the weapon out of site because you first have to expose the firearm (unholster) to put it into their approved 'safe' in a location other than glovebox or center console (trunk).
  2. There are now efforts by "anti violence" representatives to dilute or entirely rewrite the FCCL altogether. That starts with this bill (3239) and similar companion legislation which seeks to add "safe" and "secure" storage requirements to a licensee when that licensee leaves their vehicle unattended. The fight is not just about court cases and litigation. We need a culture as well. We need direct and honest responses to Mom's Demand Action and Everytown, which is mostly New England elitism seeping into midwestern culture.
  3. In the interest of public safety is not defined in this. Traditionally, that means: Disturbing the peace. Noise violations. Intoxication. Controlled substances. Or more important things, like assaulting a police officer. So if you are pending charges for 'disturbing the peace' or 'disorderly' conduct, because you are not answering questions at a traffic stop: good bye gun purchases until your case is resolved. But that is hypothetical using the best possible analysis. Here, in HB3239: there is no scope and defined limits to that definition. You have to thank the MDA/Suburban Police Department Complex for this heap of nonsense. It would be easier to charge $10 additional for an additional background check, but they have to punish blacks and latinos buying more AR-15's in 2020 than whites. They have to know who has what, where it's at and make it as cost prohibitive as possible.
  4. HB 3239 could possibly be called tomorrow in committee (it's listed as FIREARMS-CRIM BACKGROUND CHECK). Of course, any bill in the judiciary committee could be called. Perhaps they are trying to seem reasonable with the proposed, companion introduced eight-hour training legislation. Difficult to ascertain. I would expect nothing less from a woman who is guaranteed and paid a pension by the state. This is simply classist warfare. Rich, white progressive women do not like their abusive police state at constant odds of being challenged by free people. The game MDA and ILGA is playing: more background checks, more fees and absolute police discretion on 'transfer' permits. Complete or partial centralization of 'transfer' records. That is what you get when you enter information into LEADS, which is located in Ohio. You submit your fingerprints - that's about $30-45 - it will probably be Livescan. Estimating the cost of a 'transfer' permit, which is PER firearm, you are looking at $100-300 additional cost, plus your fingerprints being used for EVERY 'transfer' permit, which are entered into LEADS. So your FOID is $10 - but your eight hour class will be separate from CCL and will not probably count - you will pay for both independently. Your 'transfer' will be anywhere between $40-80 and that does not assume the cost of time and logistics and a willing local PD to deal with your 'inconvenience.' Add an additional $100 for expedited fees a local PD can charge (just look at NYC). Your state approved training will be $75-200. New gun owner and carry licensee cost under this? $1600+ easily with additional costs factored in. Your local police department can absolutely deny you a permit with this and get away with it 100% This apparatus makes compliance with FOID possession very 'challenging.' These 'transfer' permits will be located in not just one, but multiple database locations: Ohio (LEADS database center), the local police department, the State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (potentially). Anyone who can access LEADS, will have this information even after it allegedly 'expires'. So you have full or partial centralization of firearm information - everything on the firearm your FFL has - police will have all of that under this bill. Private sales will effectively be ended. This will kill what is left of lawful FFL's in Illinois: whether that is GAT Guns or Maxons. Private Transfer FFLs? same. Whether this would be accessible to public? 50/50. The amount of abuse and discrimination this bill creates is disgusting.
  5. So you will still have "shall" issue, conceal carry. You will not be able to choose which gun to buy, to carry, the police will and knowing Illinois, that means no pocket pistols, compact or subcompact models. That is how broad the language is here. This legislation would essentially enable police to choose which calibers, models, brands, makes, types and actions etc. a "transfer" permit is issued for - if at all. It would also ban private sales and possibly run into issues with power of attorney as well. MDA does not like seeing people fight back against the chaos their far left progressive partners tolerate and enable.
  6. The difference with NJ's permit to purchase: it's for purchase, not possession. This bill would not, as some have posted change the process or standards of getting a CCL. It would add training to the FOID application process. So you would undergo eight hours - I have to thank some of the "pro" gun FFL cop shops, it does not get much better in the long run with friends like that. Additionally, there would be centralized records of "transfer" permits. They would not simply "expire". If they are in LEADS, they exist forever, much like an arrest record, driver's license and registration information. I would also add: the police can charge any fee they want and have any level of expediency correlated to that fee, if this is signed into law. They absolutely could ban new firearm transfers, or ban additional types with the public safety language. Under her legislation: I could get transfer permit for maybe a Glock 34 or 17L Target model, but not a G19 or G26 - because of the "public safety" may deny language and its discretionary inference. Use your imagination. Local PD could charge different rates: regular processing or expedited. They could have certain hours for transfer permit application. If they cannot ban, they will tax. If they cannot tax, they will permit and charge fees - or add additional permitting and red-tape. Mom's Demand Action are more dangerous to this country than the Chinese PLA.
  7. Hirschauer is an opportunist. That is the core of Mom's Demand Action. Whether that was Kendall/Kane County MDA Chapter or today. She is outright lying. She knows the law. Our side should cease being naive. They either know the law or they have an attorney reading it to them. Their goal is to gentrify gun ownership in a state largely populated by minorities and immigrant groups who are counter to their progressive far left agenda. Right now the goal of MDA is gentrification of gun ownership. Make it expensive. Make it exclusive. That is done easily with these individual permit schemes. American police departments are more inefficient than European ones. The most comical thing about this woman is how low class she is: an English major that could not find any further success except in government.
  8. 3239 .. Where to start? Discrimination: public safety can mean many things, dependent on which zip code you hail from. Police officers and departments would have an endless cash cow with this. They can charge processing fees. Expedited fees. In any amount too. Privacy: police will know make, caliber, action, brand, cost and type of firearm with this transfer permit. Which is allegedly for nothing else but "verifying" identity. Do not worry though. The department and officer will have record and access to that - even after the 10 day window expires. Probably public record too. There already are issues with Illinois State Police isssuing FOID cards. People can have a conversation whether the FOID can or should exist. What most people can agree on: the FOID is a fairly decent system, despite the obvious funding and lack of expediency. Suburban and city police departments will absolutely turn this into a cash cow. It would absolutely function like NYPD License Division: slow, spiteful and capricious. The best part: this was written and introduced by a Mom's Demand Action member who defined anti-violence measures as having a gun safe. This does achieve anti-violence goals of Mom's Demand Action: not many lawful people will be able to afford personal defense weapons or enjoy building collections. Way to go Kendall County! They must swoon every time the Kane County Sheriff shows up!
  9. Second on this reducing "gun" people. I am not much a fan of the NRA, but I do believe there should not be any bans on where people get their training from - as long as it's accredited. The last people to receive training from are law enforcement. They have unions, qualified immunity and endless pockets for lawyers: not many outside that have this. It's a different mindset and mentality. They are setting people up for failure with this.
  10. This is Illinois so I cannot fault the people too much. The typical voter is having a problem reconciling their political fashion with their reality. You cannot vote for socialist progressives on a Democratic ticket and expect that crowd not to ban guns - as Pritzker, Welch and MDA did. That the typical voter does not understand the process and how the law works is astounding. Yet: here we are. If they have not charged anyone with violation of the law - perhaps we are getting close: whether that is Devore or other pending litigation.
  11. So they prevail: it means nobody will have qualified immunity. So you have people that get declared "peace" officers, much like Chicago aldermen/women did. They might satisfy the possession requirements but then you have a potential chance for the state legislature to magically change that. It is disappointing to see the core second amendment right disregarded like this. I understand why; in lawfare you have to pull out the stops that hit hardest and fastest. If they win - I do not know too much about the case law. I would presume the state legislature could just re-write the police powers portion so it would only apply to actual peace officers. They could do that and moot most of this. Very interesting.
  12. There is no failure to "register", there is disclosure through filing an affidavit and there could potentially be not just self-incrimination, but ambiguity as well. State Attorneys have a wide range of discretion on whether or not to prosecute, so it's not purely self-incrimination. When the Governor comments the registry is, or will be working the way it "should" what he really means is himself and other public officials in addition to the Illinois State Police will, through qualified immunity: lie at will continuously to members of the public, whether in printed, written or oral form. They do not care. The reality is Don Harmon, Emmanuel Welch and other members of the progressive caucus did not have patience. They rammed this legislation through. The Deadline is still January 1st, 2024. Anyone who says otherwise is flat out lying. In a sense, the governor is right: the registry will work the way it should be: if you disclose/register through affidavit after January 1st, 2024 you could possibly face criminal sanctions and serious prison time. It's not worth it. Don't do it. Those who have qualified immunity not only can lie with impunity, they face no real consequence whether financially or otherwise even if they're caught through deprivation of civil rights. The Illinois State Police at minimum should have taken the "disclosure" option from the FOID portal down at this point. The governor does not care. The people who drafted and passed this law, do not care. Neither do most of the state police. The object is enforcing the law even if that means putting people in prison.
  13. The better question to ask July Morrison: when is your shell-bill creating additional FOID revocation circumstances going to hit the legislative assembly? This is vindictive and is an afront to working class people from July Morrison. So an individual gets red-flagged, now they're less likely to show up to court and more likely to have further financial burden: has July Morrison purchased Uber stock? does she Uber? because this proposal seems to benefit the ride share industry. I would not put it past July Morrison to introduce an additional shell bill which adds additional circumstances for when, where and how a FOID card can be revoked. Disclosed an "assault weapon"? if you don't turn it over before your next renewal, you could very well lose your driver's license. Which reminds me: when do the FOID endorsements for "disclosed" weapons expire? if the cards cannot have dates printed on them, what makes anyone think a "disclosure" is printed on them?
  14. If you look at """assault weapon""" bans, you leave with the understanding that politicians are establishing class in American culture. What progressive, left-wing politicians want is a system where it's so legally complicated that you can carry a handgun for transportation to the range. A system where using a concealed weapon is pointless because of all the "sensitive" places. Add their "taxes" to where the culture is nonexistent or not mainstream. They never wanted the police disarmed, especially their private security. They want a system where you are easily abused and going through endless motions in court, spending more money and having to make difficult decisions so you are not bankrupt. That is their vision. That is why they hate the AR-15, a magazine of more than 10 rounds. Gun owners and citizens need to be empowered, educated and hold a strict-line in the sand. We are no longer ignorant citizens listening to lies from neighborhood police in the 1960's.
  15. 1. People like Welch; Harmon; Moms Demand Action. They do not hate anyone, per se. They believe they are right. If they hate anything, it's the power the AR-15 gives the average citizen over a police officer. The AR-15 is more powerful than a lawyer suing for false arrest, violation of civil rights, etc. 2. It's not about benevolence. Whether the law makes sense. Whether you can or cannot understand it does not matter. To them, it's about passing another law to end "violence" or secure more political and social clout. The law does not give mercy, patience or grace. Either people elect politicians that do not want to ban these firearms or more will be banned. 3. The police and government do not have your interest at heart. Even the most friendly, down-to-earth police officer has one order: establish preponderance, lead with the question (lie), arrest and charge. That does not change when they are testifying in court either. 4. The gun community needs to start having standards. Reward good police. Ostracize the bad ones. That includes politicians as well. 5. People need to stop using their language and logic. Becoming a felon? only when you have been through the trial process. Law-abiding? only until they change your constitution and the laws, so that you are something different. 6. The days of enjoying progressive left-wing politics are over. If people continue to vote for these type of politicians, there will be a different culture in place than what currently exists.
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