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The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence (ICHV) is Calling on the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) to Cease Their Attacks on Senator Dan Kotowski

CHICAGO, May 7 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Illinois Council Against
Handgun Violence (ICHV) is calling on the Illinois State Rifle Association
(ISRA) to cease their personal attacks on State Senator and former ICHV
Executive Director Dan Kotowski, as well as their lies about legislation
that Kotowski and other members of the General Assembly have introduced
this session.
Last week the ISRA released a statement stating that Sen. Kotowski
"continued his practice of dancing in the blood of the Virginia Tech
victims" by placing an amendment on SB 1007 that would prohibit the
possession and sale of ammunition magazines that accept more than 10 rounds
of ammunition. They then went on to say the amendment would ban certain
firearms despite the fact that there is no language in the amendment that
mentions prohibiting the sale and possession of any firearm.
"It's truly shameful that the ISRA would personally attack Senator
Kotowski, by bringing up the murder of 32 innocent students by an
individual who used a handgun that accepted a high capacity ammunition
magazine," stated Thomas Mannard ICHV Executive Director. "Senator Kotowski
has been a victim of gun violence and has worked tirelessly during his
professional career to do everything in his power to reduce the threat of
gun violence in our communities and the availability of guns to criminals.
On the other hand the ISRA has nothing better to offer than personal
attacks on Senator Kotowski and lies about legislation he is sponsoring to
try and prevent such a mass tragedy from happening here in Illinois. In
fact, one response to the tragedy from ISRA Executive Director Rich Pearson
was that we should be asking just how good of a job do our schools do in
helping foreign students to adjust and adapt to American culture. Well
apparently the shooter at Virginia Tech adjusted to the gun culture of
America that Mr. Pearson holds so dear pretty easily."
Another measure that the ISRA has lied about is House Bill 758 which
would require a mandatory criminal background check on all private handgun
sales in Illinois. The ISRA states on their website that the bill would
outlaw private sales of handguns, even though there is no language in the
bill that calls for private sales to be prohibited.
"It's amazing that the ISRA is so blatantly distorting the truth about
these measures and getting away with it," Mannard concluded. "However, it's
time for the Illinois public and the Illinois General Assembly to know the
truth about this legislation and those of us at ICHV intend to make sure
that happens."

[SmershAgent]

Kotowski brought this on himself. If he doesn't like it, all he has to do is quit supporting anti-freedom legislation.

[raiven]

thats funny they attack our rights its ok, we fire back and they go running like school girls stop attacking that hurts .as i was always told if you cant take it dont dish it out.

[c-rock]

they got sand in their pussy.

[whyzdom]

Being the Executive Director of "The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence (ICHV)" is about as useful as screen doors on a submarine.

[mack69]

As dirty as it made me feel...I went to the ICHV site and left the message below regarding their whiny news blurb about how the ISRA is attacking Kotowski.

On May 7th, 2007 the ICHV had an article printed on the PRNewswire-USNewswire calling on the Illinois State Rifle Association(ISRA) to cease their personal attacks on State Senator and former ICHV
Executive Director Dan Kotowski, as well as their lies about legislation
that Kotowski and other members of the General Assembly have introduced
this session.
One of the bills mentioned was SB1007-have you people actually read SB1007? Let me assist:
95TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
State of Illinois
2007 and 2008SB1007
Introduced 2/8/2007, by Sen. A. J. Wilhelmi - Emil Jones, Jr.

SYNOPSIS AS INTRODUCED:
720 ILCS 5/11-9.1 from Ch. 38, par. 11-9.1
Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Makes a technical change in a Section concerning the sexual exploitation of children.

While this seems like a noble cause up front, the reason there is so much flack about this bill is the Amendment 001 which removes everything from the bill and inserts a ban of high capacity magazines etc. And guess who added the Amendment?
Sen. Dan Kotowski

Filed: 5/1/2007
09500SB1007sam001 LRB095 05881 RLC 35717 a
1 AMENDMENT TO SENATE BILL 1007
2 AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend Senate Bill 1007 by replacing
3 everything after the enacting clause with the following:
4 "Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by adding
5 Section 24-1.8 as follows:
6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new)
7 Sec. 24-1.8. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and
8 purchase of large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
9 (a) As used in this Section:
10 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
11 (1) a detachable magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or
12 similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be
13 readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10
14 rounds of ammunition; or
15 (2) any combination of parts from which a device
16 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled.

Doing sneaky underhanded things like this are what the ISRA and Illinois gun owners are against.
Our legislators are voting on something they think is protecting our children. But in reality they are being duped into another backdoor useless gun bill.
http://www.ilga.gov/...a...=9&Session=

THe other bill mentioned is HB758, requiring an FFL transfer and background check on the private sale of a handgun. Another unnecessary and costly piece of feel good legislation. If the private party you are selling to has a valid FOID card that person already has been checked out and passed the Illinois required background check. No current FOID, No Sale. On top of the cost factor to this state that is floundering financially already.
Bottom line here, if your group wants groups like the ISRA and gun owners of Illinois to stop beating on Senator Kotowski or anyone else, stop trying to push your senseless bills through using trickery or back door tactics. We are watching , always watching....

[Ol'Coach]

Excellent

[ops144]

i was gonna do that but with the orginal text of the original bill.

[ops144]

ok done

[45superman]

One blogger even took me seriously enough to post an angry response .

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Something else that’s “gross”? Goofs who don’t understand the legislative process. It sounds more complicated than it is but, up until the time a bill is voted on, the text of that bill is completely fluid and can (and does) change from hour to hour let alone week to week. One such goofball writes for a pro-gunner blog called “Armed and Safe”. Apparently the “ignorant” part is implied. Blogger “45superman” titles his May 1st post: “Illinois State Senator Dan Kotowski supports the sexual exploitation of children” — another gross misrepresentation.

The bill in question started as a children’s isssues bill but has since been revamped to account for gun safety as Sen. Kotowski works to ban large capacity magazines. Sexual exploitation has nothing to do with it, except for a partisan conservative who has decided that he can earn some cheap political points by twisting the words to sound sinister.

[whyzdom]

I replied to his blog..

[gravyboy77]

45superman, on May 8 2007, 11:22 AM, said:

One blogger even took me seriously enough to post an angry response .

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Something else that’s “gross”? Goofs who don’t understand the legislative process. It sounds more complicated than it is but, up until the time a bill is voted on, the text of that bill is completely fluid and can (and does) change from hour to hour let alone week to week. One such goofball writes for a pro-gunner blog called “Armed and Safe”. Apparently the “ignorant” part is implied. Blogger “45superman” titles his May 1st post: “Illinois State Senator Dan Kotowski supports the sexual exploitation of children” — another gross misrepresentation.

The bill in question started as a children’s isssues bill but has since been revamped to account for gun safety as Sen. Kotowski works to ban large capacity magazines. Sexual exploitation has nothing to do with it, except for a partisan conservative who has decided that he can earn some cheap political points by twisting the words to sound sinister.

I was hoping you would post that 45. I think we need to organize and stand behind a pro 2a candidate that will hopefully challenge Kotowski in '08 when he's up for reelection.

[Pappy353]

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And truth be told, all you need to protect yourself (if that is your actual goal) is a single bullet — this bill is nowhere near that.

[Lou]

Man, is it nice for the shoe to be on the other foot.

We get attacked constantly and then this goof whines about US excercising our rights?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[45superman]

My contention is that one does not have to be a gun rights activist to find Commissar Senator Kotowski's actions contemptible and reprehensible.

I don't intend to shy away from pointing that out.

[SmershAgent]

Excellent follow-up commentary, Kurt. I just added a few more remarks to help back your positions.

[45superman]

Thanks--you were great, for all the good it will do. I think I should have realized from the very beginning that a debate with Mr. Nesvacil would be an exercise in futility.

[SmershAgent]

45superman, on May 9 2007, 11:54 AM, said:

I think I should have realized from the very beginning that a debate with Mr. Nesvacil would be an exercise in futility.

Agreed; that guy is unreal. As soon as you try and apply his argument to banning something that isn't firearms-related, he accusses you of concocting an unrealistic hyperbole.

[mack69]

I assume that it is safe to say the attacks will not only continue but may even be stepped up as a result of the passage of the garbage he calls a bill.

[SmershAgent]

mack69, on May 9 2007, 01:11 PM, said:

I assume that it is safe to say the attacks will not only continue but may even be stepped up as a result of the passage of the garbage he calls a bill.

I don't plan on dropping the matter.

The Gun Guyshave taken up advocacy on Kotowski's behalf as well now.

[mack69]

Smersh wrote:

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The Gun Guyshave taken up advocacy on Kotowski's behalf as well now.

Wow...go figure....they all have something in common in that they are all asshats....

[SmershAgent]

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The recently departed Mr. Cho, late of Virginia, thanks both Mr. Thompson and Mr. Hofmann for their continued support for his weapon of choice.

To paraphrase… guns don’t kill people, they make it easier for people to kill people. And whether you call it “high capacity” or “standard capacity” the more bullets in a clip the easier and easier that killing can be done.

It’s clear that neither of you are actually grasping my points, even if for the sake of rational debate. I respect your diligence, but disagree strongly with your premises.

Best to both of you.

[gravyboy77]

Here's another post from our friend.

Link:
http://illinoisreaso...ans-your-angry/

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apparently-standing-up-for-honesty-means-your-angry

Boohoo. The folks who think terrorist suspects and folks with a history of mental illness ought to be able to buy guns think I’m “angry” (scroll down to post #10).

These are the same people who believe someone would ever need to “protect” themselves with a .50 caliber rifle powerful enough to blast through not just your front door but also your neighbor’s front and back door across the street. What are you doing that you need to “protect” yourself with such firepower?

I get their slippery slope concerns (I too have similar slippery slope concerns about other issues), but for the love of God what on earth does someone need that kind of firepower if not to literally destroy things, rather than simply killing would-be attackers and game? That’s the very definition of extremism.

Now the origins of that post over at the Illinois Carry blog (as in “concealed carry”) are about how the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence replied after the Illinois State Rifle Association itself climbed on top of the dead bodies of the Va Tech massacre in order to exclaim that State Sen. Dan Kotowski somehow “continued his practice of dancing in the blood of the Virginia Tech victims” — which is complete BS, let alone being a putrid way of banking some cheap political chits.

But of course liberal-gun-law proponent and blogger Kurt “45superman” Hofmann couldn’t just leave it at that. He had to stroke his ego a bit and label me “angry” simply for telling the truth about what Sen. Kotowski wrote, said and did. This in light of his own over-the-top malarkey about Sen. Kotowski.

It’s funny that people who think I and the millions of Americans who also believe in reasonable gun supervision have our “panties are in a bunch” (I don’t wear panties) and “sand in my pussy” (I don’t have a pussy) just because we believe in common sense, civility and ethics. They label us “angry” when we stand up for our values and beliefs.

We’re supposed to just sit around and listen to their vitriol and not reply? That’s for cowards.

What a crock. These fuming rage-mongers give decent gun-owners everywhere a bad rap with their loud mouths and needlessly venomous attacks (which seem most often to be so much hollow rhetoric).

[45superman]

Yeah--saw that. So we're the loud-mouths, eh ? Ah, well--glad he's able to stay busy.

[gravyboy77]

45superman, on May 9 2007, 02:25 PM, said:

Yeah--saw that. So we're the loud-mouths, eh ? Ah, well--glad he's able to stay busy.

I had better get that autograph now.

[c-rock]

I got quoted!!!!


hey,

if you want to discuss the issues, then do such. your more than welcomed to come and join our merry bunch for disucssion.


Plus I aint afriad to meet with anybody, and videotape it for later viewing either.

I will post it up on youtube. I would even meet with dan the ban 50. I live in his area. I would love to meet the man, and talk to him personally. I would ask it be put on youtube.

We can meet in Chicago, in a netural location. I will talk to you why we fight gun control.


and they do have sand in their pussy. They are wanting to control the speech on how we talk. **** that. I will speak on my own terms. Words are just words, and limiting myself to your doublespeak is not my cup of tea.


We have major issues in this state. Turing good folks into crimials is not one I think we need.

[c-rock]

I did put out thr formal challenge to meet them in the area. Also invited them to the board for discussion.


So it is out there. I would love to talk to him, and youtube it for future reference.


**** it,

what else do we have to lose?

[Ashdump]

[what else do we have to lose?
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Nothing. We need to go on the offense.

[tdalan]

A post I made in several forums on AR15.com

ALSO - I realize that even though several groups are working towards various pieces of legislation in support of our rights.......Please for all of our sakes, lets work together to help and encourage each other.

PLEASE HELP the ISRA to stop the ANTI-GUN legislation pending in Springfield !!!
______________________________________________________
Senate Bill SB-16 "Assault Weapons Ban"
Senate Bill SB-1095 "Serial Numbering of Ammunition"
Senate Bill SB-1471A "50 Caliber Rifles"
House Bill HB-0731 "Firearm Storage"
House Bill HB-0758 "Private Sales of Handguns"
House Bill HB-0796 "Dealer Licensing"
House Bill HB-0873 "Assault Weapons Ban"
House Bill HB-1078 "1 Gun a Month"
______________________________________________________
There are also several bills we are supporting
House Bill HB-0704 "Preemption, Hunting Firearms"
House Bill HB-1304 "Concealed Carry"
House Bill HB-1757 "Preemption Transportation"
_______________________________________________________
The ISRA has been in existence for 104 Years......If your not an ISRA member....WE NEED YOU NOW....more than ever. The high capacity magazine ban passed the state Senate and was sent to the House just last week. We have 2 Lobbyists in Springfield that we support through memberships and contributions. The money of course helps....but we also need YOU. We need the number to put behind the Lobbyists. Out of 1.2 million gun owners in IL.....ONLY about 15,000, belong to the ISRA. When one of the Lobbyists walks into a lawmaker’s office, we NEED the lawmaker to KNOW that they speak for a VERY large number of IL gun owners. Just $25 a year, $37 for a family (kids 19 and under). Please go to http://www.isra.org today. PLEASE help us help you. Do you want to see what we are all about? If you are in the Joliet area, the Will County chapter meets the 3rd Wednesday of every month (this month the 16th) at "Sara's Place" (a restaurant, on IL-6, close to the Empress) at 7 pm. Open to all, not just ISRA members. We also have an Open House at the ISRA range in Bonfield, IL on June 9th, find details on the web site.....www.isra.org

Tim Dalan
NRA, ISRA
USMC (ret.)