19 replies to this topic

[mikew]

Let's say some enterprising individual bought one acre of somethin' in Winnebago County,
wouldn't it be possible to sub-divide it into deeded square feet for novelty sales? :-)

[Kenny]

Technically I still don't think you would be a resident because you don't reside there. The proposed resolution will honor out of state and other IL county's permits though. If you have a Utah or Florida or Pensylvania permit you will be golden in Winnebago county.

[abolt243]

polhms1, on Jun 12 2008, 08:06 PM, said:

Technically I still don't think you would be a resident because you don't reside there. The proposed resolution will honor out of state and other IL county's permits though. If you have a Utah or Florida or Pensylvania permit you will be golden in Winnebago county.

One thing I have thought of and not brought up, but feel that I should.  I've not read the proposed resolution in Winne county.  I assume someplace it speaks of pre-emptiing the transportation laws in ILCS 720 re: firearms.  Have you also included the transportation clauses in the Wildlife Code, ILCS 520??   Just want to make sure you cover all the bases, although I'm sure you have.  You've done very well and been very thorough on every other aspect of this movement!!

Great Job!!!

AB

[lockman]

abolt243, on Jun 12 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

polhms1, on Jun 12 2008, 08:06 PM, said:

Technically I still don't think you would be a resident because you don't reside there. The proposed resolution will honor out of state and other IL county's permits though. If you have a Utah or Florida or Pensylvania permit you will be golden in Winnebago county.

One thing I have thought of and not brought up, but feel that I should.  I've not read the proposed resolution in Winne county.  I assume someplace it speaks of pre-emptiing the transportation laws in ILCS 720 re: firearms.  Have you also included the transportation clauses in the Wildlife Code, ILCS 520??   Just want to make sure you cover all the bases, although I'm sure you have.  You've done very well and been very thorough on every other aspect of this movement!!

Great Job!!!

AB

The measure will definitely be in conflict with state law.   We have all heard the Chicago/Urban call for local control and that the city and towns know what measures are best for their communities. Well if Winnebago says concealed carry is the best way to provide protection to the residents of Winnebago county then that is the ultimate in local control.

I do believe in local control for issues involving the community but not those that have far reaching impact beyond those borders. Zoning, code enforcement, building codes, and food safety are all areas of local control. We should not allow local control over a basic civil right and the state should only step in sparingly to address when abuse abridges the rights and/or safety of others.

I believe this measure is symbolic in the desire to show the states position is contrary to the constitution, common sense,   personal and public safety. It will spark litigation, as the Sheriff can be sued if he issues a permit or if he doesn't. So let the great debate begin.

Lets say a Winnebago county permit holder is arrested by the ISP for UUW. Will the Winnebago county States Attorney prosecute the permit holder who was authorized to carry by the elected officials of his/her county?

[junglebob]

Hopefully the States Attorney wouldn't prosecute someone arrested by the ISP, he has to run for reelection.   I think this would lose him more votes than it would gain him.

[SAK]

I'm not sure if there is a residency requirement for this county.  I know states have residency requirements (some states have no minimum time period required), but I'm not sure about counties.  For example, you could travel to New Hampshire and have a couple letters sent to your name at your friend's house or whatever.  You are now officially a resident with proof.  You can vote, buy a pistol, etc.

The same principal might work here.  But I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves.  Let's get this darned thing PERFECTED and then passed first

[burningspear]

junglebob, on Jun 12 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

Hopefully the States Attorney wouldn't prosecute someone arrested by the ISP, he has to run for reelection.   I think this would lose him more votes than it would gain him.

The Attorney General would prosecute; simple as that.

[junglebob]

burningspear, on Jun 19 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

junglebob, on Jun 12 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

Hopefully the States Attorney wouldn't prosecute someone arrested by the ISP, he has to run for reelection.   I think this would lose him more votes than it would gain him.

The Attorney General would prosecute; simple as that.

The attorney general has to run for reelection too, but since Lisa Madigan is AG she would very likely prosecute.

Maybe transporting encased with a loaded magazine in your vehicle would be best then.   Not too likely you'll be stopped on the street by a trooper while carrying.

[Kaeghl]

junglebob, on Jun 19 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

burningspear, on Jun 19 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

junglebob, on Jun 12 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

Hopefully the States Attorney wouldn't prosecute someone arrested by the ISP, he has to run for reelection.   I think this would lose him more votes than it would gain him.

The Attorney General would prosecute; simple as that.

The attorney general has to run for reelection too, but since Lisa Madigan is AG she would very likely prosecute.

Maybe transporting encased with a loaded magazine in your vehicle would be best then.   Not too likely you'll be stopped on the street by a trooper while carrying.

Well, let's see. If I were to be stopped and charged with the UUW in Winn Co by ISP, the case would be heard here in Winn Co. Hey, I'm carrying by legal, valid permit, so it would be thrown out.

IF Lisa decided to actually try a case for the very very first time in her life, and she came up here to do it, would someone please sit by her and point out all those court room things she has never seen in her life, such as a jurybox thingie, that judgetype person and just nudge her when she's supposed to say something. When she loses, bigtime, she will be able to say, for the first time in her life, that she actually IS an attorney. Her record would be 0&1.

[PPK]

SAK, on Jun 19 2008, 11:11 AM, said:

I'm not sure if there is a residency requirement for this county.  I know states have residency requirements (some states have no minimum time period required), but I'm not sure about counties.  For example, you could travel to New Hampshire and have a couple letters sent to your name at your friend's house or whatever.  You are now officially a resident with proof.  You can vote, buy a pistol, etc.

The same principal might work here.  But I think we're getting way ahead of ourselves.  Let's get this darned thing PERFECTED and then passed first

Perfected?  On the first try?  Nebraska just started honoring FL permits January this year.  Besides, perfect would be VT style.

[Slappy]

From what I understand from talking with the Board Members on our side is that this CCW permit is ONLY available to residents of Winnebago County...

I can own a square inch of land on Winnebago but I legally reside elsewhere...

[Traken]

Slappy, on Jun 19 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

From what I understand from talking with the Board Members on our side is that this CCW permit is ONLY available to residents of Winnebago County...

I can own a square inch of land on Winnebago but I legally reside elsewhere...

But if I read the resolution correctly, they're going to honor out of state permits, so that's good at least.

[Slappy]

Traken, on Jun 19 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

But if I read the resolution correctly, they're going to honor out of state permits, so that's good at least.

right you are! so everyone Utah up!!!

[Traken]

Slappy, on Jun 19 2008, 04:13 PM, said:

Traken, on Jun 19 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

But if I read the resolution correctly, they're going to honor out of state permits, so that's good at least.

right you are! so everyone Utah up!!!

Have we gotten confirmation that the PA one isn't going to work? I figure I should get that one first.

[mikew]

I can't believe that this thread got recent traffic.

[lockman]

burningspear, on Jun 19 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

junglebob, on Jun 12 2008, 10:05 PM, said:

Hopefully the States Attorney wouldn't prosecute someone arrested by the ISP, he has to run for reelection.   I think this would lose him more votes than it would gain him.

The Attorney General would prosecute; simple as that.

I do not believe the State Attorney General would have jurisdiction. Criminal charges are filed in the county where they occur and it is the County States Attorneys office that would file any charges.

[Lou]

mikew, on Jun 19 2008, 07:20 PM, said:

I can't believe that this thread got recent traffic.

I didn't see it before today.
PS  I like the way you think but if they honor other permits it's a moot point.

[ccw40cal]

polhms1, on Jun 12 2008, 09:06 PM, said:

The proposed resolution will honor out of state and other IL county's permits though.

That's great news!
Hello everyone! I just registered because I want to keep an eye on this. I grew up in Oregon (GO HAWKS!!!). I now live in Louisville, KY (any of you make it here for the NRA Meetings?) but I go home to visit family in Mt. Morris & friends in Oregon every now & then, usually I try to make Autumn on Parade.
Anyway, after today's Supreme Court decision and seeing the item about Winnebago County in America's First Freedom I wanted to check it out.
Keep up the good work, guys. It'll be tough but it will pay off! We had the same fight here in KY about a dozen or so years ago. Be ready for the anti's to pull out all their stops & tired arguments!
You have a friend in KY and I'll be watching & praying about this.

[cowboyflyfisher]

mikew, on Jun 12 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

Let's say some enterprising individual bought one acre of somethin' in Winnebago County,
wouldn't it be possible to sub-divide it into deeded square feet for novelty sales? :-)

I have a lifetime lease on a square foot of land in Scotland on the Laphroaig distillery.
I plan on visiting my square foot one of these years, and touring their nice facility  

[SAK]

Hopefully when this thing works it will spread like wildfire to the other counties, and then in some view everyone would be a resident of Winnebago   We'll have the Winnebago board to thank for it!

As far as perfected, I just meant from a legal standpoint.  When this thing passes, the last thing we'd want is for it to get shot down in court somehow.