mikew Posted March 10, 2020 at 12:22 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 12:22 AM It happened to me, don't let it happen to you. I hit return too soon, I'm following up with a meaningful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 10, 2020 at 12:32 AM Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 12:32 AM So while waiting for renewal of my FOID card, the ISP invalidated my card at 60 days.I did not know until I tried to make a F-2-F purchase here on IC. In fact, a week before hand, I tried my own FOID number in the F2F background check page provided by the state police, here.(https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/PersonToPersonFirearmTransfer.aspx)Why did I do this? because someone else said that they were denied, so I wanted to see if was happening.Then a week later, when I went to make a purchase for real, I was denied. I was mad as heck as chased this down as fast as I could, but missed the purchase of the gun. Someone called me from the ISP today and tried to explain what happened to me as an isolated incident, but I have my doubts.I think that everyone who has passed the printed expiration date by 60 calendar days is getting expired for a person to person transfer. Help us all out and try to prove me wrong. If your FOID expiration date was over 60 days ago and you renewed before that, and you are still waiting for your card, then please try to get an approval number on yourself at the above link, and report back to this thread with your results. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 10, 2020 at 01:05 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 01:05 AM The gods make mistakes all the time, then force the rest of us to live with the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeM Posted March 10, 2020 at 01:48 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 01:48 AM I just checked mine, good to go.Applied back in early November, card expired on 02/01/2020.Still shows under review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod Posted March 10, 2020 at 02:08 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 02:08 AM The gods make mistakes all the time, then force the rest of us to live with the consequences.They aren't the gods, they are the devils, and they don't give a damn about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted March 10, 2020 at 02:10 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 02:10 AM When is civil disobedience on a large scale appropriate? I thought it was a right, not a privilege that you have to show your papers for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POAT54 Posted March 10, 2020 at 02:18 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 02:18 AM Did you check your CCL? I should ask do you have a CCL first. No, this is not an investigative stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted March 10, 2020 at 03:28 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 03:28 AM So while waiting for renewal of my FOID card, the ISP invalidated my card at 60 days.I did not know until I tried to make a F-2-F purchase here on IC. In fact, a week before hand, I tried my own FOID number in the F2F background check page provided by the state police, here.(https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/PersonToPersonFirearmTransfer.aspx)Why did I do this? because someone else said that they were denied, so I wanted to see if was happening.Then a week later, when I went to make a purchase for real, I was denied. I was mad as heck as chased this down as fast as I could, but missed the purchase of the gun. Someone called me from the ISP today and tried to explain what happened to me as an isolated incident, but I have my doubts.I think that everyone who has passed the printed expiration date by 60 calendar days is getting expired for a person to person transfer. Help us all out and try to prove me wrong. If your FOID expiration date was over 60 days ago and you renewed before that, and you are still waiting for your card, then please try to get an approval number on yourself at the above link, and report back to this thread with your results. Mike. Get a lawyer. This is dangerous. The ISP could be putting innocent people in danger with this "invalidation" crap. An invalid FOID means police could show up at a moments notice to take your firearms away. I agree with the other posters: what good is a FOID if they cannot even prevent cards being invalidated? this is serious crap and it needs to end. We need to end the FOID. Get a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 10, 2020 at 04:11 AM Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 04:11 AM I just checked mine, good to go.Applied back in early November, card expired on 02/01/2020.Still shows under review.Mine said under review, too. Did you try the transfer page? That's where I got tripped up. https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/PersonToPersonFirearmTransfer.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted March 10, 2020 at 04:48 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 04:48 AM I just checked mine, good to go.Applied back in early November, card expired on 02/01/2020.Still shows under review.Try running your FOID through the ISP website transfer page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 10, 2020 at 04:58 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 04:58 AM I just checked mine, good to go. Applied back in early November, card expired on 02/01/2020. Still shows under review. The real test is what happens on or after April 1, because that's 60 days after the nominal expiration. For someone to test now, it has to be someone with an expiration on or before January 9. Although, if we wait long enough, maybe it'll be everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted March 10, 2020 at 05:41 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 05:41 AM How did you get someone from the ISP to call you back? Is it fixed yet or did they say they were going to fix the "isolated incident"? Wondering if an automated process (they can make this change but not fix more problematic site issues?) or a manual effort based on some kind of report? Do you believe it to be 60 calendar days or 60 business days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldguy Posted March 10, 2020 at 06:04 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 06:04 AM I just now tried mine. APPROVED.However, the card itself is still under review.Submitted payment 11 06 19.Expired 02 01 2020I'm gearing up to sell off a lifetime of collecting and this is a big stumbling block.Most are C&Rs I will be selling out of state.Most people don't want to deal with the hassle of a card that says it is expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 10, 2020 at 06:08 AM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 06:08 AM No one checks your FOID/CCL when you sell, only when you buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 10, 2020 at 07:07 AM Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 07:07 AM No one checks your FOID/CCL when you sell, only when you buy.Yes, I was trying to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 10, 2020 at 07:14 AM Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 07:14 AM How did you get someone from the ISP to call you back? Is it fixed yet or did they say they were going to fix the "isolated incident"? Wondering if an automated process (they can make this change but not fix more problematic site issues?) or a manual effort based on some kind of report? Do you believe it to be 60 calendar days or 60 business days?I got persistent, creative, and had a lucky accident.I called the office of the Director of the State Police, which is harder to do nowadays, and that's how I got my card fixed, but I wanted to find more, so I started making more calls, testing what I thought was a number for the director, on a sunday, when someone answered. He and I talked for half hour, he promised to get me an answer. Gosh, don't ya think everyone deserves a chance to make a phone call to the ISP and get someone to answer? Instead of spending an hour only to get hung up on? I intend to open this up. If the number of calls breaks the system, well, hey, the system was already broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted March 10, 2020 at 08:48 PM Share Posted March 10, 2020 at 08:48 PM No one checks your FOID/CCL when you sell, only when you buy. Yes, I was trying to buy. But oldguy intends to sell and seems worried. I just now tried mine. APPROVED. However, the card itself is still under review. Submitted payment 11 06 19. Expired 02 01 2020 I'm gearing up to sell off a lifetime of collecting and this is a big stumbling block. Most are C&Rs I will be selling out of state. Most people don't want to deal with the hassle of a card that says it is expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 11, 2020 at 02:05 AM Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 at 02:05 AM Were I selling, I never would have known that the ISP had expired me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 16, 2020 at 07:05 PM Share Posted March 16, 2020 at 07:05 PM I just tried my wife's FOID (renewal paid 11/18/2019, expired 2/1/2020, still "under review") and it came back APPROVED. So now she's probably on a list. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 16, 2020 at 07:43 PM Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 at 07:43 PM I just tried my wife's FOID (renewal paid 11/18/2019, expired 2/1/2020, still "under review") and it came back APPROVED. So now she's probably on a list. Oops.Try it again in three weeks, when it has been 60 days since printed expiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 16, 2020 at 08:20 PM Share Posted March 16, 2020 at 08:20 PM I reread the thread, now I realize what you're getting at. Yep, I'll give it a try on or after April 2, which would be calendar day 61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yas Posted March 17, 2020 at 01:28 AM Share Posted March 17, 2020 at 01:28 AM Were I selling, I never would have known that the ISP had expired me. But someday in the future (with all the laws and restrictions they are attempting to pass) Imagine one of Kathleen Willis's or Don Harmons gun enforcement teams shows up on your doorstep demanding you hand over all your firearms due to an expired card. (thru no fault of your own) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 17, 2020 at 06:59 AM Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 at 06:59 AM Were I selling, I never would have known that the ISP had expired me. But someday in the future (with all the laws and restrictions they are attempting to pass) Imagine one of Kathleen Willis's or Don Harmons gun enforcement teams shows up on your doorstep demanding you hand over all your firearms due to an expired card. (thru no fault of your own) LOL I want to see either of them leading such a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted March 17, 2020 at 02:52 PM Share Posted March 17, 2020 at 02:52 PM Old style FOID or a new oneI ask as the old style didn’t have the new 16 digit matching the CCLAnd looking at your member dates, and the number of posts here, I’m guessing some.Like me I had a valid FOID and applied for a CCL early in the process when we got the abilitySo my FOID was of the old style and the numbers didn’t match......... Fast forward and my FOID expired (but didn’t) the FOID number would not accept in the isp transfer page!But if I used my CCL it went straight through! It looked to me like the invalidated the old number and validated the new number even while it was being processed.But hey, I could be wrong, but I don’t think there is any conspiracy herein. Just bad timing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 17, 2020 at 04:05 PM Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 at 04:05 PM For me it was the new style FOID number that matches some other card that I have, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted March 30, 2020 at 11:05 PM Share Posted March 30, 2020 at 11:05 PM Thread bump as a reminder that April 2 is coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted March 31, 2020 at 12:56 AM Share Posted March 31, 2020 at 12:56 AM Thread bump as a reminder that April 2 is coming...What happens on April 2nd to the FOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted April 1, 2020 at 04:27 AM Share Posted April 1, 2020 at 04:27 AM April 2 is to see if a FOID that expired on 2/1 (renewed 11/18, still under review) will still be reported as approved or denied in the private transfer portal. The working theory from this thread is that 60 days after expiration and FTIP will return a "denied" response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted April 1, 2020 at 12:37 PM Share Posted April 1, 2020 at 12:37 PM Thread bump as a reminder that April 2 is coming...What happens on April 2nd to the FOIIL Supreme Court hopefully rules FOID Un-constitutional ! http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71543&page=11&do=findComment&comment=1256591 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted April 2, 2020 at 05:38 PM Share Posted April 2, 2020 at 05:38 PM Bingo. WIfe's FOID expired 2/1/2020. Renewal application (dated 11/18/2019) is still "Under Review". Today is calendar day 61 since the expiration date. The Private Firearm Transfer Response is DENIED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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