Tvandermyde Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:38 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:38 PM I'm trying to dcipher everything from today. I'll get something up by the morning but this is getting more fluid by the moment. the real look through is that the gov said he would sign a bump stock bill. the won't let him have a clean bump stock bill to have a win and look moderate. This is politics 202. and like I said its gonna get worse before it gets better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:39 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:39 PM Lol. I am trying to decipher what you just typed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:52 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:52 PM Todd Lingo 101. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:54 PM Lol. I am trying to decipher what you just typed?The Governor vetoed the Dealer Licensing bill, but the Dems aren't going to let him off the hook that easily. So they will send him the Bump Stock Ban bill, and attach something else to it (magazine ban, 72hr waiting period for rifles), and he'll basically be forced to sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio24 Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:56 PM Share Posted March 13, 2018 at 11:56 PM veto them all then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec5 Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:03 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:03 AM Lol. I am trying to decipher what you just typed?The Governor vetoed the Dealer Licensing bill, but the Dems aren't going to let him off the hook that easily. So they will send him the Bump Stock Ban bill, and attach something else to it (magazine ban, 72hr waiting period for rifles), and he'll basically be forced to sign it. That is what you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:05 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:05 AM Not that I support a ban, but could the governor do an amendatory veto reducing it to a "clean" bump stock bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:07 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:07 AM Lol. I am trying to decipher what you just typed?The Governor vetoed the Dealer Licensing bill, but the Dems aren't going to let him off the hook that easily. So they will send him the Bump Stock Ban bill, and attach something else to it (magazine ban, 72hr waiting period for rifles), and he'll basically be forced to sign it. That is what you read? Yup. "the won't let him have a clean bump stock bill" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolt243 Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:13 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:13 AM The Gov has said he would sign a bump stock bill. Essentially meaning a "clean" bill, meaning one that deals only with that subject. That would allow the Gov to sign the bill, appear more "moderate" to the masses and have a "win" for the progressives. Now, the antis are going to tie something else to the bump stock bill and try to hold him to his word to sign the bill. If he signs, he ticks off his conservative supporters, if he vetos, then they can talk about how he doesn't care about public safety and caved to the NRA. I didn't enroll in politics 202 but I audited the course for a session. AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:27 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:27 AM When I see Todd start a thread with Well, $^%$ I feel all NOT warm and fuzzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:30 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:30 AM Not that I support a ban, but could the governor do an amendatory veto reducing it to a "clean" bump stock bill?Yeah I think he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:39 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:39 AM The Governor can sign or veto the bill within 60 days. If the Governor does nothing, the bill becomes law after 60 days. He also has the right to amend the bill (“amendatory veto”) or change the dollar amount of a bill allocating funds (“item veto”) Both houses must vote to override a total veto by a 2/3 majority. If a total veto is not overridden, the bill dies. If an item veto is not overridden by a 2/3 majority, the bill becomes law with the change in funding proposed by the governor. If both houses override an amendatory veto, the bill becomes law in the form originally passed by both houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted March 14, 2018 at 01:02 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 01:02 AM I'm trying to dcipher everything from today. I'll get something up by the morning but this is getting more fluid by the moment. the real look through is that the gov said he would sign a bump stock bill. the won't let him have a clean bump stock bill to have a win and look moderate. This is politics 202. and like I said its gonna get worse before it gets betterAnd it sounds like they are trying to tie preemption to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls74 Posted March 14, 2018 at 01:06 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 01:06 AM I'm trying to dcipher everything from today. I'll get something up by the morning but this is getting more fluid by the moment.the real look through is that the gov said he would sign a bump stock bill. the won't let him have a clean bump stock bill to have a win and look moderate. This is politics 202.and like I said its gonna get worse before it gets better And it sounds like they are trying to tie preemption to it.Wouldn't that in itself require a supermajority to pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim4k5 Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:04 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:04 AM It looks to me like the Machine has decided that if they can't get anything they wanted passed, then they'll just poison the well. I'd look for them to dump EVERYTHING into the Bumpstock ban just to force Rauner to veto it, when he'd already said he would support it. Complete political theater to trot out in the election cycle to show the uninformed how he was swayed by the NRA on something as simple as banning bumpstocks like Florida did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:30 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:30 AM Dirty Chicago politics. Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricolor Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:36 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:36 AM It looks to me like the Machine has decided that if they can't get anything they wanted passed, then they'll just poison the well. I'd look for them to dump EVERYTHING into the Bumpstock ban just to force Rauner to veto it, when he'd already said he would support it. Complete political theater to trot out in the election cycle to show the uninformed how he was swayed by the NRA on something as simple as banning bumpstocks like Florida did. Do you think they want to pass the bills, or just use them to try to put Rauner in a bind? Anything that passed would just be icing on the cake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangrel Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:54 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 02:54 AM The Governor can sign or veto the bill within 60 days. If the Governor does nothing, the bill becomes law after 60 days. He also has the right to amend the bill (“amendatory veto”) or change the dollar amount of a bill allocating funds (“item veto”) Both houses must vote to override a total veto by a 2/3 majority. If a total veto is not overridden, the bill dies. If an item veto is not overridden by a 2/3 majority, the bill becomes law with the change in funding proposed by the governor. If both houses override an amendatory veto, the bill becomes law in the form originally passed by both houses. 3/5, not 2/3. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted March 14, 2018 at 03:30 AM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 03:30 AM Dirty Chicago politics. Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. TERM LIMITS, it's time y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twostarrz Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:08 PM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 12:08 PM Dirty Chicago politics.Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. TERM LIMITS, it's time y'allThe problem with term limits is that you are asking the very people in power to limit their power. It’s like asking a king to pass his crown along every 6 years because it’s the right thing to do. While I agree wholeheartedly with term limits, I don’t have any real idea how to impose them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted March 14, 2018 at 01:15 PM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 01:15 PM Dirty Chicago politics.Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. TERM LIMITS, it's time y'allThe problem with term limits is that you are asking the very people in power to limit their power. It’s like asking a king to pass his crown along every 6 years because it’s the right thing to do. While I agree wholeheartedly with term limits, I don’t have any real idea how to impose them. Getting High Schoolers to demand it seems to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted March 14, 2018 at 03:17 PM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 03:17 PM @cybermgk "Getting High Schoolers to demand it seems to work" I nominate that for the statement of the month, hands down. Our reality these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted March 14, 2018 at 04:06 PM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 04:06 PM Dirty Chicago politics. Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. TERM LIMITS, it's time y'all problem is it requires a state constitutional convention which I could never vote for with the snakes that run this state....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soylentgreen Posted March 14, 2018 at 05:34 PM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 05:34 PM I don't care about bump stocks...but I will not support banning them without something in return. In other words, I'm not going to be like one of these "2nd Amendment supporters" who think hunting rifles are protected, but "assault weapons" should be banned.A "high capacity" magazine ban is intolerable. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanook Posted March 14, 2018 at 09:45 PM Share Posted March 14, 2018 at 09:45 PM The dems pull the amendatory veto trick out regularly, so why not do the same to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted March 15, 2018 at 03:30 PM Share Posted March 15, 2018 at 03:30 PM Just want to point out.. I think my memory is correct, the first murder with a AR-15 in Illinois was they year they first originally banned them. This will just move a whole lot more of them into the black market and reaching the gangs in Chicago because they will become the thing to have. The cops can just take that body armor they wear and use it for toilet paper because it's not stopping a 223. Hard problems make bad laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted March 15, 2018 at 04:51 PM Share Posted March 15, 2018 at 04:51 PM Time to call Rauner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted March 15, 2018 at 05:20 PM Share Posted March 15, 2018 at 05:20 PM Dirty Chicago politics. Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. TERM LIMITS, it's time y'all Actually, I'm praying that "Mike" has either a stroke or heart attack (if he has one) and is "incapacitated" and is forced to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markthesignguy Posted March 15, 2018 at 05:35 PM Share Posted March 15, 2018 at 05:35 PM Dirty Chicago politics. Madigan and his ilk wrote the book on dirty politics. TERM LIMITS, it's time y'all Actually, I'm praying that "Mike" has either a stroke or heart attack (if he has one) and is "incapacitated" and is forced to retire. I USED to think that way, and have had my perspective shifted (earthquake style). That won't do much good, he is in it for the POWER, but those clustered around him are leftist progressives that will then have a free reign to do as they wish. The democrat party HAS been hijacked by them, and when Mike's not holding the reins, they're gonna make things even worse. They are PROUD to call themselves "progressives", and all the bullhockey we were being subjected to at the end of the reign of obummer, will start back up with a VENGENCE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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