Double-J Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:06 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:06 PM Anyone else get this today? Not quite sure what to make of it. NRA cannot provide any assistance in training foreign persons due to conflicting information from the U.S. Government regarding regulations pertinent to foreign persons and arms training. NRA cannot process any requests for assistance in training foreign persons. For example, applications for instructor certification of foreign persons will be returned, unprocessed, to the Training Counselor or Chief Range Safety Officer. We apologize for the inconvenience. We recommend that people interested in the subject of training foreign persons consult with their attorney regarding all pertinent regulations, including International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). IMPORTANT NOTES FOR CONCEALED CARRY APPLICANTS! BE AWARE THAT WITH CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES ALL AGENCIES HAVE SEEN A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS PERTAINING TO FIREARMS AND INSTRUCTION! THEY ARE VERY HARD WORKING, BUT CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH! YOU MUST HAVE PATIENCE WITH THE INEVITABLE AVALANCHE OF APPLICATIONS THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. DO NOT SCHEDULE ANY CLASSES OR MAKE ANY PROMISES OF AVAILABILITY UNTIL YOU ARE COMPLETELY DONE WITH THEIR PROCESS. All agencies or organizations, both government and Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), trying to verify someone as an NRA Trainer or Range Safety Officer, are instructed to use the http://www.nramedia....752440/19393/0/"%5Dwww.nra.org/training%5B/url%5D site for verification, NOT the card or certificate (This will not work for NRA Law Enforcement trainers). This is because a trainer or RSO could be revoked the next day but still be walking around with a "valid" card. The website is updated every 24 hours. These agencies will need the NRA or Trainer number and the last name of the individual to be verified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirflyguy Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:10 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:10 PM I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:18 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:18 PM But we extend 2nd amendment protections to those residing here legally, so training in handling the firearms they purchase or own is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double-J Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:22 PM Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:22 PM NRA cannot provide any assistance in training foreign persons due to conflicting information from the U.S. Government regarding regulations pertinent to foreign persons and arms training. NRA cannot process any requests for assistance in training foreign persons. So does this mean that instructors are now required to check for citizenship and then to deny training for those that are not US Citizens? When the NRA says to check with your attorney for clarification, it doesn't sound like a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:24 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:24 PM I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:48 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:48 PM I did not get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sctman800 Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:54 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 08:54 PM I haven't got it yet. Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM I got it...scratched my head a bit. I'm sure there's a good story behind the need for the letter...but sure most of us will never hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM Share Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:25 PM I guess our training applications for NRA classes will now need to include a 'are you a US citizen' question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidelity Academy Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howie Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:05 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:05 AM Didn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alby Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:19 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:19 AM I have not received it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinoiscc Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:28 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:28 AM Anyone else get this today? Not quite sure what to make of it. NRA cannot provide any assistance in training foreign persons due to conflicting information from the U.S. Government regarding regulations pertinent to foreign persons and arms training. NRA cannot process any requests for assistance in training foreign persons. For example, applications for instructor certification of foreign persons will be returned, unprocessed, to the Training Counselor or Chief Range Safety Officer. We apologize for the inconvenience. We recommend that people interested in the subject of training foreign persons consult with their attorney regarding all pertinent regulations, including International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). IMPORTANT NOTES FOR CONCEALED CARRY APPLICANTS! BE AWARE THAT WITH CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES ALL AGENCIES HAVE SEEN A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS PERTAINING TO FIREARMS AND INSTRUCTION! THEY ARE VERY HARD WORKING, BUT CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH! YOU MUST HAVE PATIENCE WITH THE INEVITABLE AVALANCHE OF APPLICATIONS THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. DO NOT SCHEDULE ANY CLASSES OR MAKE ANY PROMISES OF AVAILABILITY UNTIL YOU ARE COMPLETELY DONE WITH THEIR PROCESS. All agencies or organizations, both government and Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), trying to verify someone as an NRA Trainer or Range Safety Officer, are instructed to use the http://www.nramedia..../training[/url] site for verification, NOT the card or certificate (This will not work for NRA Law Enforcement trainers). This is because a trainer or RSO could be revoked the next day but still be walking around with a "valid" card. The website is updated every 24 hours. These agencies will need the NRA or Trainer number and the last name of the individual to be verified. It means that if a person is a foreigner, i.e. non-resident of USA the NRA will not certify them as an Instructor. It can be confusing to make that distinction between who is a foreigner in the United States vs. who is a legal resident. It does not apply to US citizens. Moreover, what that email really states is this: please don't contact us for assistance with how to handle foreigners. We are SUPER-busy with USA at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:28 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:28 AM If you did not get it I would ask do you get any e-mail from NRA training?I get something from them at least once a week.If your not getting anything you should check your preferences on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDave6 Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:31 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 02:31 AM Anyone else get this today? Not quite sure what to make of it. NRA cannot provide any assistance in training foreign persons due to conflicting information from the U.S. Government regarding regulations pertinent to foreign persons and arms training. NRA cannot process any requests for assistance in training foreign persons. For example, applications for instructor certification of foreign persons will be returned, unprocessed, to the Training Counselor or Chief Range Safety Officer. We apologize for the inconvenience. We recommend that people interested in the subject of training foreign persons consult with their attorney regarding all pertinent regulations, including International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). IMPORTANT NOTES FOR CONCEALED CARRY APPLICANTS! BE AWARE THAT WITH CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES ALL AGENCIES HAVE SEEN A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS PERTAINING TO FIREARMS AND INSTRUCTION! THEY ARE VERY HARD WORKING, BUT CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH! YOU MUST HAVE PATIENCE WITH THE INEVITABLE AVALANCHE OF APPLICATIONS THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH. DO NOT SCHEDULE ANY CLASSES OR MAKE ANY PROMISES OF AVAILABILITY UNTIL YOU ARE COMPLETELY DONE WITH THEIR PROCESS. All agencies or organizations, both government and Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), trying to verify someone as an NRA Trainer or Range Safety Officer, are instructed to use the http://www.nramedia....ia..../training[/url] site for verification, NOT the card or certificate (This will not work for NRA Law Enforcement trainers). This is because a trainer or RSO could be revoked the next day but still be walking around with a "valid" card. The website is updated every 24 hours. These agencies will need the NRA or Trainer number and the last name of the individual to be verified. It means that if a person is a foreigner, i.e. non-resident of USA the NRA will not certify them as an Instructor. It can be confusing to make that distinction between who is a foreigner in the United States vs. who is a legal resident. It does not apply to US citizens. Moreover, what that email really states is this: please don't contact us for assistance with how to handle foreigners. We are SUPER-busy with USA at the moment. While their example talks about instructors, I take the first paragraph to mean students of ANY NRA class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted April 13, 2013 at 03:29 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 03:29 AM If you did not get it I would ask do you get any e-mail from NRA training?I get something from them at least once a week.If your not getting anything you should check your preferences on the site.I will have to check on that. All I ever get is stuff trying to sell me stuff for instructors but it isn't that frequent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDJ Posted April 13, 2013 at 04:07 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 04:07 AM got it, understand it has all students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boog Posted April 13, 2013 at 09:02 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 09:02 AM I did not get it and neither did my wifeBoog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ming Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM I didn't get it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous too Posted April 13, 2013 at 06:07 PM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 06:07 PM Could be related to a scam going around a few years back. A woman would write that her daughter attending college in the U.S. was interested in some handgun training. After responding, the next email would go into a money scam on how the daughter needs extra cash and they want to send more than what you quoted and you can keep some extra as long as we can wire it to your bank account. You all know that scam, right? Maybe not related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted April 13, 2013 at 06:37 PM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 06:37 PM sounds like a b.s. email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double-J Posted April 13, 2013 at 08:18 PM Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 08:18 PM IP Checks out below: X-Originating-IP: [204.68.130.172] Authentication-Results: mta1063.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com from=nramedia.org; domainkeys=pass (ok); from=nramedia.org; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 12.102.252.84 (EHLO alnwmxc04.att.net) (12.102.252.84) by mta1063.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:08:41 -0700 Received: from go.nramedia.org ([204.68.130.172]) by att.net (alnwmxc04) with SMTP id <20130412170826a0400n5fkge>; Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:08:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.68.130.172] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; l=6044; d=nramedia.org;s=test; h=from; bh=b0MN8uhPRPCg8AiLYlo/6Gzb2EKVGSEf65okQTct1wI=; b=emQYR6j/4U9XNL4Kyz/vEJpzJ3CiYgFQ+pbVnM79aIhG2oeJZ/2sGZ2NKjHLsu/Gdw+qKzKl 63mZDNl5TN42oeIJ9iZuL/E7S3cclRdTXE3/Gt4YTSYS8z2m0nTC+oZGOT2X6hmSc6JKhoyY D08aYC7DREuCRuNr+uWbmsCNWKo=; DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=test; d=nramedia.org; h=from; b=vZ7hepFQWzK6JryaLGstMV9RfXRSAbHryI3kAoZpQ+usEdUjj7SoT/54k0yX4LwYEBoCemD2 bx1XAJWm0V4lTpEjB1XgFy0azxHH83DMLhMebZipQ4+9fin6cOALCh9BbaClQPReyB2D7VtD 3Zduf1QfdANfNLim6yDySamHmh4= FFrom: This sender is DomainKeys verified "NRA Education and Training" <admin@nramedia.org> Here's the original email as sent:Here's the original email as sent: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fife Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM Share Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM Nothing about this on their training website, not even in the private training log in site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted April 14, 2013 at 03:46 AM Share Posted April 14, 2013 at 03:46 AM I got it yesterday and was also a little confused. Will I have to certify my US citizenship in a few weeks when I go take PPITH instructor course? Does it apply to my Basic Pistol Students? How do I check citizenship when IL gives illegals drivers licenses? Just confusing. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted April 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM Share Posted April 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM I have received no such thing that I'm aware of. Have you figured out if it was authentic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboybuckle Posted April 14, 2013 at 09:59 PM Share Posted April 14, 2013 at 09:59 PM Yes I received it as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted April 15, 2013 at 02:31 PM Share Posted April 15, 2013 at 02:31 PM Odd. there must be some interpretation of the law that the government is causing trouble with. I can't imagine the NRA wants people to discriminate. What I find odd is while non-US citizens may not be eligible for certain CW permits, I can’t see any reason why there would be a warning to accept them for classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinoiscc Posted April 15, 2013 at 04:50 PM Share Posted April 15, 2013 at 04:50 PM I think this email has to do with contacting the NRA for help on how to deal with foreign students. The NRA does not wish to spend time on answering questions related to how to handle foreign students.They gave an example of the instructor app to try to clarify, but made it more confusing instead... If you have a foreign student who lives in US and takes an NRA class, there's no way they can restrict that since there is no citizenship check/verification. If such a student however, asks you a question and you need to contact the NRA, this is exactly the scenario that email talks about. The NRA will not assist you in such a scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted April 17, 2013 at 04:35 PM Share Posted April 17, 2013 at 04:35 PM I think the NRA can't train foreign instructors I'll check with a contact I have in NRA training and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted April 17, 2013 at 05:09 PM Share Posted April 17, 2013 at 05:09 PM I think the NRA can't train foreign instructors I'll check with a contact I have in NRA training and see well so much for that idea - it seems foreign nationals cannot be instructors or RSO's that's pretty black and white - i got no direct answer students in basic course Perhaps don't ask don't tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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