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#1 Lou

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 04:25 PM

Ya gotta laugh at the law of unintended consequences kicking in. Crook County AG Kim Foxx is going to expunge the convictions of tens of thousands of criminals.



https://www.chicagot...bfae-story.html


- Expunged records will not appear on routine background checks, potentially making it easier for affected people to find jobs and housing. The expunged marijuana convictions also will not appear in law enforcement databases. -

Ill bet she never even thought about the fact that this means tens of of thousands will now be able to qualify for Carry Permits who would have been denied in the past. I bet that will make her day.

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 05:40 PM

These poor folks are non violent criminals.
They deserve a third chance.

All future FOID holders AND CCL holders will be smokers, ( I mean tokers) yes?

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 05:42 PM

Ill bet she never even thought about the fact that this means tens of of thousands will now be able to qualify for Carry Permits who would have been denied in the past. I bet that will make her day.

They could still file objections on all of them, and with the arrest records the board will uphold them.
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Posted 28 August 2019 - 05:56 PM

Ill bet she never even thought about the fact that this means tens of of thousands will now be able to qualify for Carry Permits who would have been denied in the past. I bet that will make her day.

They could still file objections on all of them, and with the arrest records the board will uphold them.


The article seems to indicate that the records will no show up in law enforcement databases.

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 06:04 PM

Expunged records will be physically destroyed or returned to you. All mention of your name will be removed from public criminal records. You also dont have to even mention you were arrested for whatever record was expunged.

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 06:28 PM

The last I recall the state police basically said screw you to the court system and retain them anyway

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 07:55 PM

Foxx seems to be more interested in getting these records expunged than prosecuting the violent criminals in her county.


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 04:48 AM

Foxx seems to be more interested in getting these records expunged than prosecuting the violent criminals in her county.


She seems more interested in winning a second term next year.
This is all a political calculation to gain votes from a certain group just like putting polling places in Crook County Jail.

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 06:31 AM

I've gotten too cynical to actually have any hope, but maybe now there will be more room in the big house for violent criminals.



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Posted 29 August 2019 - 09:00 AM

Ill bet she never even thought about the fact that this means tens of of thousands will now be able to qualify for Carry Permits who would have been denied in the past. I bet that will make her day.

They could still file objections on all of them, and with the arrest records the board will uphold them.

The article seems to indicate that the records will no show up in law enforcement databases.

We know that's untrue.
Illinois' FCCA is a prime example of the maxim that sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

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Posted 29 August 2019 - 12:40 PM

The last I recall the state police basically said screw you to the court system and retain them anyway

That'd be contempt of court. Now, they probably keep the expunged stuff in a "double secret" file room or "double secret" server so it's not like you'd ever find out until you get screwed because they ignored the order.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 03:49 PM

Good.  There NEVER WAS any logical/rational reason for marijuana to be illegal in the first place.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 04:48 PM

So now there will be stoned drivers, shooters, parents en masse?

It says in all Remington manuals that the only way to really enjoy shooting sports is while on drugs. In Big, Bold Purple!


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 07:29 PM

So now there will be stoned drivers, shooters, parents en masse?
It says in all Remington manuals that the only way to really enjoy shooting sports is while on drugs. In Big, Bold Purple!

Wild west shootouts over the last cheeto.
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Posted 03 September 2019 - 07:52 PM

So now there will be stoned drivers, shooters, parents en masse?

It says in all Remington manuals that the only way to really enjoy shooting sports is while on drugs. In Big, Bold Purple!

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 10:03 PM

Harry Anslinger (look him up if you want some truth), is the reason why marijuana is still illegal today.  His justification was based in Racism.  No other reason.

 

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 12:35 AM

Ya gotta laugh at the law of unintended consequences kicking in. Crook County AG Kim Foxx is going to expunge the convictions of tens of thousands of criminals. https://www.chicagot...bfae-story.html
- Expunged records will not appear on routine background checks, potentially making it easier for affected people to find jobs and housing. The expunged marijuana convictions also will not appear in law enforcement databases. -
Ill bet she never even thought about the fact that this means tens of of thousands will now be able to qualify for Carry Permits who would have been denied in the past. I bet that will make her day.

No they wouldn't. Expungement is only happening at the state level. The feds have a record, too. FBI background checks are required for CCW. The FBI will reject the applicant.

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 12:38 AM

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 12:45 AM

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For absolutely NO other reason than Racism. 


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Posted 04 September 2019 - 01:07 AM


Remember, marijuana is still a controlled substance at the federal level Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk


For absolutely NO other reason than Racism. 

Yet, it's still a controlled substance at the federal level. Racist or not, it is what it is. Personally, I have no educated opinion on this. I'm just stating the facts.

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 12:02 AM

Don't you think you should educate yourself before you post an uneducated opinion?


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 05:34 AM

Don't you think you should educate yourself before you post an uneducated opinion?


He didn't post an opinion.

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 07:11 AM

It still keeps coming back at me that I can't believe this is being proposed to be done automatically.  

 

In reviewing all that's continually being done to Firearms owners in C®look County Fees, tax's, rules, (all based as"for the children" sake) etc.

 

How is it that our sage wisened and clever politicians are not charging some kind of fee $$$$$$ or making some kind of formal request process for people who were convicted about something that was clearly on the law books as being illegal at the time and the offender was found guilty at the time as being in violation at the time of the law being current?

 

It would seem to me its a opportunity to raise some funds for the county for some budget deposit (I'm sure somebody clever can find some cause) That if you want a Marijuana conviction expunged,  You apply for it and pay a fee to the county.   

 

 

It could be used for something as simple as funds to local hospitals for addiction counciling or services.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 09:36 AM

Marijuana will be legal regardless of the Federal level argument
Those with convictions will get expunged/forgiven and sent on their way, towards the general population in Illinois

And for the federal forms and current handguns owners, just how many have already lied or didn’t have to lie but used regularly and bought firearms

It can NOT be on a Federal background record and yet the people will be daily users
It’s not like it’s a new thing and the Wild Wild West will be upon us

And drivers all across the country have been driving high for years, it changes nothing

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 07:46 PM

You'd be surprised at the amount of people who don't know that they can't smoke pot and own a gun. Like...shocked. Probably more will lie now because "pot is legal" (lacking fundamental understanding of Supremacy Clause). And by the amount of people who don't know that driving stoned is DUI. Or that it's possession to be under the influence if the cop really wants to give you a hard time. People are terrifyingly ignorant of law. IMO the amount of stuff being trafficked into Illinois from states like California and Colorado has actually created more users. Not a lot but enough due to THC oil cartridges. I know people who picked that up because it's a lot cleaner than smoking. Smoking is all dirty and that's what kept people away from it but edibles? Well why not? Now we've got all of this fake stuff floating around. People vaping pesticides and God knows what else. I read one article saying a lab report of one cartridge had hydrogen cyanide gas as a byproduct of one of the chemicals. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 06:14 PM

Something to note, the records can be scrubbed but the Internet can't.

 

That said, I have to ponder if the left and antis will scream from the rooftops when someone that was convicted of a felony drug charge and a once prohibited person (as evidenced in a public records Google search) who has now regained their gun rights due to this blanket scrubbing, goes out and harms another with their now lawfully purchased firearm that allowed the to pass a background check that shows no record of their previous felony conviction.

 

It's not far fetched (knowing Cook County's record) that there are likely many 'felons' that plead to the lesser drug charge to get out of more serious charges potentially even gun related charges.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 06:54 PM

"They" are not familiar with the law of unintended consequences. "They" do not think before they act. "Now drug users can now own firearms!" yeah. That's what happens, idiots. But I'm pretty sure it's up to 30 grams. Class A misdemeanor amount. Felony amount doesn't apply. That's still in place AFAIK. It isn't just Cook with the plea deals. It's everywhere. I'm at the point where I'm going to pull a Dem ballot at the primary and vote for my SA's opponent. Ten counts of meth possession? Plead it down to one. Violate your probation? You get a third chance (first was to never commit crime, second is probation). Cops here don't even try anymore because he'll just plea it out or drop completely. And if it isn't the prosecutor it's the judge. My old lady's...her half-brother's half-sister just got paroled from prison after like 9 months for two counts of meth possession and one count of forgery. 2.5 years on each count...concurrently. These were all distinct crimes. 1/3 of sentence gone immediately. You have to actually do something "bad" while in prison to have to serve an entire sentence. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 07:32 PM

But I'm pretty sure it's up to 30 grams. Class A misdemeanor amount. Felony amount doesn't apply.

 

The misdemeanors <30 grams appear to be automatic, but the article also states "Those convicted for larger amounts, from 30 to 500 grams, can petition a court to have the charge expunged."

 

That means felony convictions >100 grams and >30 grams repeat offender can be expundged as well, thus restoring gun rights to those previous felons.   As I said, I'm betting a lot of those felonly drug pleads were to get out of more serious charges and now some of those 'should be felons' will have clean background checks to buy guns.  As I have said in previous threads, I believe in a path to restore 2nd rights for most felons after they repay society, but there is some irony that the left that is constantly calling for more restrictions just did the exact opposite and potentially restored gun rights to 1000s of previously convicted felons in the state.


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:39 PM

So a question, having heard this mentioned at a community forum in my AO today -

What about people who were charged with Ag UUW for carrying a firearm and weed when both were illegal? I know simple UUW could get expunged, but the presence of illegal drugs made it "worser", but now that both are legal...
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 03:05 PM

If it’s charged and it’s UUW then you can get it expunged, why charge at all?
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