vito Posted May 23, 2020 at 08:11 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 08:11 PM I do not think it too far fetched to envision a circumstance where the Governor suddenly announces that due to the emergency nature of the crisis facing the state, he feels he must decree the temporary suspension of the right to carry a firearm concealed by licensees for such. And maybe it will have nothing to do with Covd-19. Maybe next time it will be another "emergency" of a totally different nature, such as (shudder, shudder)..... CLIMATE CHANGE!!!! But the question is, if the Governor announced such, would you obey? Would you think "we need to fight this in court, but in the meantime I must obey his decrees" or would you think (or even possibly say) "screw him, no one tells me to be defenseless, especially during some crisis". Unfortunately we now have modern precedent for Mayors and Governors to assume virtually dictatorial powers, all for our own good, of course. Knowing that the Democrat leadership that runs this state is totally opposed to our exercise of the 2nd Amendment, I do not think it too farfetched to think that such a decree, banning the carrying of guns could well happen. The question is, would you obey Gov. Pillsbury Dough Boy, or stand up for your 2nd Amendment rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:02 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:02 PM No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:03 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:03 PM And Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:11 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:11 PM My guess is if he did decree that CC is now illegal, most people would obey, just like they're doing now with the whole businesses closed, stay at home and wear a mask crap. It's amazing how everyone just gave into this with no resistance. It's all stoked by fear and that's a big part of why people obey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:17 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:17 PM As most of us understand, whatever gets said on the Internet is forever. I would advise everyone to remember that before saying anything that could be used against you in the future. As to your question, it doesn’t pertain to me because every firearm I ever owned has been turned into Father Pfleger at St. Sabinas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:19 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:19 PM I will not say one way or another in an open forum like this. To much of a chance wrong people will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:34 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:34 PM Several pro-2A groups, Second Amendment Foundation, ISRA, etc. would get involved as has happened in the past. Injunction would soon follow. https://www.saf.org/category/legal/ Then there are several states attorney's and law enforcement institutions in Illinois that have send that they would not enforce anti-2A laws, if no other crime was involved. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=68707&page=15&hl=sanctuary&do=findComment&comment=1181415 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nod Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:50 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 09:50 PM "Say it, forget it, write it, regret it " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 23, 2020 at 10:36 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 10:36 PM No, because SCOTUS made Illinois pass the concealed carry act.Cartman would have a hard time poo pooing that. Even he isn't that stupid.I would carry the cheapest gun I own, reliability isn't an issue but I don't think I'll get it back in good shape.SCOTUS would hear that one quickly and then there would be a class action lawsuit.JB would probably do time for an inane and ego driven decree that is a direct violation of a SCOTUS order. No, because the US 7th Circuit Ct of Appeals made Illinois rewrite the UUW act so that we had some form of legal carry. FIFY The devil is in the details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilphil Posted May 23, 2020 at 10:43 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 10:43 PM As most of us understand, whatever gets said on the Internet is forever. I would advise everyone to remember that before saying anything that could be used against you in the future. As to your question, it doesn’t pertain to me because every firearm I ever owned has been turned into Father Pfleger at St. Sabinas. Except for what was lost in that tragic boating accident... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted May 23, 2020 at 10:45 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 10:45 PM Won't happen, but if it did...Concealed is concealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinelgin Posted May 23, 2020 at 11:01 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 11:01 PM No and yes. Eff them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 23, 2020 at 11:43 PM Share Posted May 23, 2020 at 11:43 PM No, because SCOTUS made Illinois pass the concealed carry act. ...No, because the US 7th Circuit Ct of Appeals made Illinois rewrite the UUW act so that we had some form of legal carry. FIFY The devil is in the details. EOs don't suspend the rule of law. Even martial law doesn't suspend the rule of law. Since the CA7 ruling is already settled law, such an EO would be illegal and unenforceable. The issue with many effectively illegal executive actions (around the country, not just in Illinois) is that they are disputes between an executive and the corresponding legislature (whether the legislature actively objects to the actions or not) which have not been settled by the judiciary. Of course, any executive may for a time choose to do things far outside the law. The courts are not instantaneous, nor is the legislature's ability to address potential gaps in the law. The question is really "How much are you willing to lose in an eventual Pyrrhic victory if you choose not to comply?" Well, what guarantee do you have that the executive will conduct himself legally and fairly if you allow him this one act of despotism? What guarantee do you have that any criminal will conduct himself legally and fairly if you surrender to his criminal will this one time? It depends on the act itself and the ability to rely on eventual justice, as with any crime. In this hypothetical case, you'd likely have your firearms seized and possibly be jailed. Given everything else currently, I would not comply, but I also would not necessarily go around announcing my lack of compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted May 24, 2020 at 12:10 AM Share Posted May 24, 2020 at 12:10 AM What if But then could weNah not even a subjectBut maybeWho knows Could change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 24, 2020 at 12:21 AM Share Posted May 24, 2020 at 12:21 AM ... There's very little clown on clown violence. (Thinks about the statistics on heyjackass.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carry Posted May 24, 2020 at 02:38 AM Share Posted May 24, 2020 at 02:38 AM No, because SCOTUS made Illinois pass the concealed carry act....No, because the US 7th Circuit Ct of Appeals made Illinois rewrite the UUW act so that we had some form of legal carry. FIFY The devil is in the details. EOs don't suspend the rule of law. Even martial law doesn't suspend the rule of law. Since the CA7 ruling is already settled law, such an EO would be illegal and unenforceable. The issue with many effectively illegal executive actions (around the country, not just in Illinois) is that they are disputes between an executive and the corresponding legislature (whether the legislature actively objects to the actions or not) which have not been settled by the judiciary. Of course, any executive may for a time choose to do things far outside the law. The courts are not instantaneous, nor is the legislature's ability to address potential gaps in the law. The question is really "How much are you willing to lose in an eventual Pyrrhic victory if you choose not to comply?" Well, what guarantee do you have that the executive will conduct himself legally and fairly if you allow him this one act of despotism? What guarantee do you have that any criminal will conduct himself legally and fairly if you surrender to his criminal will this one time? It depends on the act itself and the ability to rely on eventual justice, as with any crime. In this hypothetical case, you'd likely have your firearms seized and possibly be jailed. Given everything else currently, I would not comply, but I also would not necessarily go around announcing my lack of compliance. Ever hear of Presidential Executive Order 9066 followed by the War Department Exclusion zone declaration at the start of the US entry to WW II (spurred by Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor)? Basically US Citizens and other lawful residents were required to report to assembly centers with only the luggage they could carry, their homes and businesses were either sold for pennies on the dollar or otherwise forfeited, and they were sent to inland detention centers which were basically concentration camps in the US. This primarily affected Americans of Japanese descent but included Germans, Italians and Jewish US residents. There was an exclusion zone declared on the US West Coast, and citizens were held at places such a the Santa Anita Race Track and housed in horse stables temporarily - conditions didn't get much better although there were rosy US government news items depicting fully furnished hotel like rooms with curtains, etc... US Citizens of Japanese descent in Hawaii weren't as affected because they were needed to continue their current work (farming, etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted May 24, 2020 at 04:01 AM Share Posted May 24, 2020 at 04:01 AM Yes, and it was deemed unconstitutional - eventually. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted May 29, 2020 at 02:11 AM Share Posted May 29, 2020 at 02:11 AM Such an order would cause the state to be in contempt of court for violating a court ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebel49 Posted May 29, 2020 at 04:23 AM Share Posted May 29, 2020 at 04:23 AM Listen! I'm 70 years old and I have carried a firearm since I was 16. It's called concealed carry, don't do anything stupid and you won't have a problem.The police can't protect you, most of the time they show up after the incident to write the report.Jumbo Fat a** can write all the decrees, executive orders, and edicts he wants we are running low on toilet paper.As for me ----- I will operate the way I always have!Fat a** can go soak his head in concrete for all I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted May 29, 2020 at 09:23 PM Share Posted May 29, 2020 at 09:23 PM Pretty much every business owner carried a gun on the Westside when I had my pawnshop.Everybody involved in the precious metals or diamond trades did also.I bought a Ruger snubby off one of the detectives who was on the pawn shop detail.He asked what I carried, I pointed to the 870 in our store and he was flabbergasted."No, what pistol do you carry"? I replied none. He asked if I was nuts.He showed me what he carried and it was a .44 snubby. I wasn't taking any chances.Handguns and Chicago were a big no-no back then BUT if you did business in a shady area,I seem to remember the Beretta Tomcat was a VERY popular choice but the cops loved big caliber wheel guns.I had one shop that was firm on getting paid in cash. I would walk out of the bank with more then 100K.They would always ask if I wanted a security guard to escort me, I never took them up on it.This happened just about every week. I would get in a 550HP Mustang or one of our business cars was a late 80's Corvette.The Mustang was my pet project, it was like a moonshiners car.A 400HP 351W with a 150HP shot of N2O. in a blue plain Jane base looking Mustang L Notchback.The underpinning were from a GT and the wheels were from a LX.It took me two years to build that car and it was one of few that had a trunk.The Corvette made a good impression but the Mustang was uncatchable. Anyway there were two sets of rules long before legal concealed carry.The rich could always carry, I knew a guy that literally bled money in the early tech boom.He lived next door to Louis Farrakhan in Hyde Park and his favorite car was a Testarossa.Whatever he drove he had a 5906 in the glove box. He would get a flat and just drive home.No run flats and he didn't care what it cost to fix when he tore up a rim. His cheap car was a Dodge Viper.I business card with your name as the owner of a jewelry store or pawn shop also usually sufficed.I wouldn't know, it's not like I carried a Beretta Tomcat on me that was easily and very concealed. "The police can't protect you, most of the time they show up after the incident to write the report."A truer statement has never been written, the pawnshop down the street got shot up, four shot and one dead.It took the CPD a half hour to show up but when the did it was more then 50 cars.An hour later I was questioned because the people who did ran past my store. I didn't see them.One of the pawnshops that melted their gold through us was on south Halsted in Englewood or Gresham.I went there ONCE because that place was completely lawless.The Westside was Hinsdale compared to that. I was at Madison and Keeler.Brings back some good memories!https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/df2OTuaBbUFvw1KVvvKoxvrhVD1mBdlaV-C7TXBSNUGRlH3kuDDlNNfJBbABrUg5O0JaVpHy_qTJ135klpfpXRtmAVVyA6Fv7AgdAoZZpAn4ID8fhk7esonraYX_sFRGvQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted May 30, 2020 at 01:39 AM Share Posted May 30, 2020 at 01:39 AM Pretty much every business owner carried a gun on the Westside when I had my pawnshop.Everybody involved in the precious metals or diamond trades did also.I bought a Ruger snubby off one of the detectives who was on the pawn shop detail.He asked what I carried, I pointed to the 870 in our store and he was flabbergasted."No, what pistol do you carry"? I replied none. He asked if I was nuts.He showed me what he carried and it was a .44 snubby. I wasn't taking any chances.Handguns and Chicago were a big no-no back then BUT if you did business in a shady area,I seem to remember the Beretta Tomcat was a VERY popular choice but the cops loved big caliber wheel guns.I had one shop that was firm on getting paid in cash. I would walk out of the bank with more then 100K.They would always ask if I wanted a security guard to escort me, I never took them up on it.This happened just about every week. I would get in a 550HP Mustang or one of our business cars was a late 80's Corvette.The Mustang was my pet project, it was like a moonshiners car.A 400HP 351W with a 150HP shot of N2O. in a blue plain Jane base looking Mustang L Notchback.The underpinning were from a GT and the wheels were from a LX.It took me two years to build that car and it was one of few that had a trunk.The Corvette made a good impression but the Mustang was uncatchable. Anyway there were two sets of rules long before legal concealed carry.The rich could always carry, I knew a guy that literally bled money in the early tech boom.He lived next door to Louis Farrakhan in Hyde Park and his favorite car was a Testarossa.Whatever he drove he had a 5906 in the glove box. He would get a flat and just drive home.No run flats and he didn't care what it cost to fix when he tore up a rim. His cheap car was a Dodge Viper.I business card with your name as the owner of a jewelry store or pawn shop also usually sufficed.I wouldn't know, it's not like I carried a Beretta Tomcat on me that was easily and very concealed. "The police can't protect you, most of the time they show up after the incident to write the report."A truer statement has never been written, the pawnshop down the street got shot up, four shot and one dead.It took the CPD a half hour to show up but when the did it was more then 50 cars.An hour later I was questioned because the people who did ran past my store. I didn't see them.One of the pawnshops that melted their gold through us was on south Halsted in Englewood or Gresham.I went there ONCE because that place was completely lawless.The Westside was Hinsdale compared to that. I was at Madison and Keeler.Brings back some good memories!https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/df2OTuaBbUFvw1KVvvKoxvrhVD1mBdlaV-C7TXBSNUGRlH3kuDDlNNfJBbABrUg5O0JaVpHy_qTJ135klpfpXRtmAVVyA6Fv7AgdAoZZpAn4ID8fhk7esonraYX_sFRGvQ I'm getting a 403 error, the link is forbidden. http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/726/50/26812524550_large.jpg http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/726/50/26812524547_large.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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