Violent crime spike follows rise in gun-buying

[InterestedBystander]

Full stories at links...

 

(Everyone does not agree.

 

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/07/16/the-washington-post-proclaims-racists-and-legal-gun-owners-are-responsible-for-shooting-spikes/

 

The Washington Post Proclaims Who Is Responsible for Murder Spikes, and They Are Laughably Wrong

 

The Washington Post published what is one of the worst, most poorly cited articles Ive ever read.

 

more...)

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/15/gun-sales-jump-protests-coronavirus/

 

Spike in violent crime follows rise in gun-buying amid social upheaval

 

Two studies examine a surge in gun sales during the pandemic and after protests broke out following the killing of George Floyd

 

Americans purchased millions more guns than usual this spring, spurred in large part by racial animosity stoked by widespread protests over the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, as well as anxiety over the effects of the covid-19 pandemic.

 

That gun-buying binge is associated with a significant increase in gun violence across the United States.

 

Those are the conclusions of two studies by the Brookings Institution and the University of California at Davis, respectively. Together, they paint a portrait of a society arming itself against social upheaval during a time of institutional failure.

 

The Brookings study, after examining federal background check data, estimated an additional 3 million firearms were sold from March through June, compared with the same period in previous years. Thats roughly equivalent to the spike in gun purchases observed following the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting and more than 50 percent higher than would have been expected for June sales.

 

Nearly half of those 3 million additional sales happened in June, after several days of protests sparked by Floyds killing in police custody. Researchers Phillip Levine and Robin McKnight of Wellesley College wrote that the spike differed from previous gun-buying binges because it was not driven by fear of pending restrictions but rather by anxiety and unease over the ongoing crises.

 

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[BobPistol]

What?

The University of LWW-ism published a study that had an anti-gun conclusion?

I'm shocked! Shocked that this is happening! (standard purple coloring on link)

[springfield shooter]

Yeah buddy. I'm sure those Americans that passed the federal background check to legally purchase a firearm are the people responsible for the surge in violent crime.

 

I'm equally sure the moon is made of green cheese.

[Euler]

First-time gun buyers are not the ones killing people in record numbers in urban centers. Those are two separate phenomena (I'm disinclined to call them "issues") that should not be conflated.

[richp]

Hi,

 

What a travesty. In basic statistics you learn to not confuse correlation with causation.

 

FWIW.

 

Rich Phillips

[MagSlap]

"Hey Bob...perhaps we should add a metric that measures whether or not the crime involved a firearm that was recently purchased."

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(Not purple)

[chicagoresident]

Economic collapse causes crime (including violence) which causes people to buy guns to defend themselves. Its pretty obvious if theyre implying causation they have their cause and effect backwards.

 

Or to recast an old gun control adage, if you outlaw work than only outlaws will be working.

[junglebob]

"Hey Bob...perhaps we should add a metric that measures whether or not the crime involved a firearm that was recently purchased."

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(Not purple)

 

I'd like to know how many guns that are legally purchased recently are used in crimes.

[markthesignguy]

This story has allowed and encouraged definition slip.

 

One should remember

 

To do that, they turned to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, an organization that maintains a real-time database of shootings by scouring news reports, police reports and public records. The analysis attempts to correct for a number of other factors that would plausibly affect rates of gun violence, such as covid-19 cases and deaths, the presence of stay-at-home orders, social distancing adherence, demographic factors and even temperature and precipitation.

 

In the end, they estimated, firearm violence nationally jumped nearly 8 percent from March through May because of excess gun-buying; that’s “776 additional injuries associated with purchasing spikes.” That may be an undercount: The Brookings study indicated gun sales jumped even higher in June, with potentially even greater effects on rates of gun violence.

The authors caution that a study of this nature cannot prove causality, particularly at a time of massive social upheaval in a country dealing with an unprecedented public health crisis as well as a nationwide protest movement.

 

We have jumped from "additional injuries" towards more serious interpretations. IF a CCW intended victim perforated the attacker, it's still counted as violence. Maybe MORE bad guys are collecting lead.

 

 

Plus IIRC John Lott has had trouble with their sources numbers, because the source won't disclose the raw data. and an organization like that will use as many tricks as it can get away with, to encourage others to use it's data.

[GTX63]

I suppose, in defense of the writer, his copy desk editor was in the hospital recovering from an assault from the Christopher Columbus statue and couldn't be present to proof the story.

Who need a journalism education you have to pay for anyway?

[cybermgk]

You KNEW this was going to happen.

[ChicagoRonin70]

This story has allowed and encouraged definition slip.

 

One should remember

 

To do that, they turned to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, an organization that maintains a real-time database of shootings by scouring news reports, police reports and public records. The analysis attempts to correct for a number of other factors that would plausibly affect rates of gun violence, such as covid-19 cases and deaths, the presence of stay-at-home orders, social distancing adherence, demographic factors and even temperature and precipitation.

 

In the end, they estimated, firearm violence nationally jumped nearly 8 percent from March through May because of excess gun-buying; that’s “776 additional injuries associated with purchasing spikes.” That may be an undercount: The Brookings study indicated gun sales jumped even higher in June, with potentially even greater effects on rates of gun violence.

The authors caution that a study of this nature cannot prove causality, particularly at a time of massive social upheaval in a country dealing with an unprecedented public health crisis as well as a nationwide protest movement.

 

We have jumped from "additional injuries" towards more serious interpretations. IF a CCW intended victim perforated the attacker, it's still counted as violence. Maybe MORE bad guys are collecting lead.

 

 

Plus IIRC John Lott has had trouble with their sources numbers, because the source won't disclose the raw data. and an organization like that will use as many tricks as it can get away with, to encourage others to use it's data.

 

Actually, according to my sources who research such things, that's EXACTLY what is happening. Self-defense shootings are up significantly during this whole situation, and of course anti-firearm idiots are going to conflate them with increased "gun violence" just as they conflate suicides using firearm as being "gun deaths" when they know full well that the means by which someone commits suicide is entirely incidental to the act of self-murder.

 

Places like Guyana, which have highly restrictive gun-control laws, lead the world in suicide rate (and is more than twice what the U.S.'s rate is), as well as Japan, where civilian gun ownership is essentially non-existent, but has a suicide rate of more than a percent above the U.S.

 

The intrinsic purpose of buying firearms for self-defense is to use them if necessary against violence directed towards the gun-owner, which is greatly increased by the unrest and violent protests.

 

What those idiots in the article fail to realize is that the increased shootings of criminals by law-abiding firearm owners is not a bug . . .

 

. . . it's a FEATURE.

[RECarry]

Coming soon: pink Polo shirts = more gun violence

[Raw Power]

So did this study look to how many of these first-time gun buyers were a part of the "crime wave" that it's talking about? "Perhaps" they missed the point.

 

Of course there's a surge in people wanting to buy guns, there's a surge in crime that is brought on by a pandemic and the fears that surround that.