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The sign at Molly Moon's Homemade Ice Cream on Capitol Hill emphasizes the shop is a gun-free zone. In red, it singles out police officers at the top of the sign. It goes on to say, "Please do not come inside if you are wearing a firearm."

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[Founder and owner Molly Moon] Neitzel said she decided to put up the sign at her namesake scoop shop, which is located within what used to be the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest zone, or CHOP ....

 

The no-gun policy isn't new. It's been in place since 2013 .... There are "Gun Free Zone" stickers at Neitzel's seven other Molly Moon locations. But the Capitol Hill location is the only one that has the new sign that calls out cops.

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"I am going to be a business person and an activist that continues to speak truth to as I see it," Neitzel said.

 

Neitzel said officers are welcome - as long as they don't have guns. As for how this policy will be enforced, she says it's up to each worker. But she's hoping the sign will make it so that they don't have to.

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Went past the comments and saw some of their offerings. Vegan ice cream? I'm sorry, it can be vegan or it can be ice cream, but it can't be both. (Not that I'm entirely opposed to non-ice cream frozen treats ... I love lemon Italian ice, but anything I eat that is supposed to be ice cream must contain heavy cream, eggs, sugar, and vanilla in some ratio.)

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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If it’s a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows it’s way more likely to be a cop.

So you want to disarm police who enters listed business?

Can you envision the patrol cars broken into while firearms are inside them?

Another burden on law enforcement which would put them at right so walking in line r leaving as a target!

 

Have I read it wrong, if so.....

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So you want to disarm police who enters listed business?

Can you envision the patrol cars broken into while firearms are inside them?

Another burden on law enforcement which would put them at right so walking in line r leaving as a target!

Have I read it wrong, if so.....

Yup, basically every argument we make why posted businesses are stupid thrown in the face of anyone that posts their business. You think that would change a few minds on posting?

 

Went past the comments and saw some of their offerings. Vegan ice cream? I'm sorry, it can be vegan or it can be ice cream, but it can't be both. (Not that I'm entirely opposed to non-ice cream frozen treats ... I love lemon Italian ice, but anything I eat that is supposed to be ice cream must contain heavy cream, eggs, sugar, and vanilla in some ratio.)

Yup, its federally regulated, if in fact they are billing themselves as Ice Cream. If unclassified by federal regulations its a frozen desert.

2) Ice cream contains not less than 1.6 pounds of total solids to the gallon, and weighs not less than 4.5 pounds to the gallon. Ice cream contains not less than 10 percent milkfat, nor less than 10 percent nonfat milk solids, except that when it contains milkfat at 1 percent increments above the 10 percent minimum

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=135.110
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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If itâs a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows itâs way more likely to be a cop.

 

Some officers are required to carry on and off duty.

 

Do you really think unholstering for every meal is going to cause less negligent discharges?

 

 

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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If it’s a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows it’s way more likely to be a cop.

 

Hmmmm....

So....

Private biz says 'No firearms'...

Get back to me when an officer responds to a violent call to that business...

 

Negligent discharge risk?

Get back to me when you statically can prove that when an officer is patronizing a business that it is safety issue when an LEO stops in for a cup of coffee or doughnut that these establishments have ventilated walls, floors and ceilings.

We'll wait...

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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If itâs a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows itâs way more likely to be a cop.

 

Some officers are required to carry on and off duty.

 

Do you really think unholstering for every meal is going to cause less negligent discharges?

 

 

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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If its a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows its way more likely to be a cop.

 

Hmmmm....

So....

Private biz says 'No firearms'...

Get back to me when an officer responds to a violent call to that business...

 

Negligent discharge risk?

Get back to me when you statically can prove that when an officer is patronizing a business that it is safety issue when an LEO stops in for a cup of coffee or doughnut that these establishments have ventilated walls, floors and ceilings.

We'll wait...

Again, havent heard any argument where it would be more advantageous for a police officer to be armed where a law abiding conceal carrying or open carrying citizen shouldnt be.

 

Lets play the hilarious qualified immunity tapes. Obviously an ND while carrying is extremely rare. Im just saying why I believe armed citizens are less of a risk than armed law enforcement due to differing legal standards. A conceal carrier has more to lose so they pay more attention to armed responsibilities.

https://youtu.be/_1QaZXJPNA8

https://youtu.be/2Hocp-d79Og

https://youtu.be/KUonA66btgI

https://youtu.be/orloQnzBRCw

https://youtu.be/YnoJ4uqUa1U

https://youtu.be/Hvfbikv0gBc

https://youtu.be/kQWukUgjynw

https://youtu.be/JQxcuOJvn90

https://youtu.be/8PWSO3e_1gM

https://youtu.be/GzDVfOoa5TU

 

I could go on, these arent high stress situations where cops had negligent discharges. I would think there are more EDCrs in America than cops, yet anecdotally cops make up the majority of negligent dischargers. Its also my same argument (linked a ton of news stories in the past) on why arming school staff makes a lot more sense than wasting tax dollars on a washed up worthless cop to roam school halls.

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KIRO 7 Seattle

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The sign at Molly Moon's Homemade Ice Cream on Capitol Hill emphasizes the shop is a gun-free zone. In red, it singles out police officers at the top of the sign. It goes on to say, "Please do not come inside if you are wearing a firearm."

...

[Founder and owner Molly Moon] Neitzel said she decided to put up the sign at her namesake scoop shop, which is located within what used to be the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest zone, or CHOP ....

 

The no-gun policy isn't new. It's been in place since 2013 .... There are "Gun Free Zone" stickers at Neitzel's seven other Molly Moon locations. But the Capitol Hill location is the only one that has the new sign that calls out cops.

...

"I am going to be a business person and an activist that continues to speak truth to as I see it," Neitzel said.

 

Neitzel said officers are welcome - as long as they don't have guns. As for how this policy will be enforced, she says it's up to each worker. But she's hoping the sign will make it so that they don't have to.

 

Such a policy is illegal in Texas since armed police are a legally protected class.

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I fairly certain Molly Moon's action is more a political statement than out of concern about negligent discharges.

Of course it is. The negligent discharge argument is a red herring gun grabbers use as to why police should have guns and we shouldnt. Something about more qualified to be armed, which is easily debunked.

 

We all know their real reason, which is why I say make cops comply with the sign.

 

While I dont agree with Molly Moons stance I can appreciate the consistency of a pacifist who wholesale gives up their full rights to defense, self defense AND calling on others to defend. You should have the freedom to choose the risk of being a victim over ceding to an authoritarian state. Just like you should have the freedom to protect yourself. The most dangerous type of person is the pacifist who demands others exercise violence on their behalf, because they do it with a clean conscious.

 

The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism

 

Those who abjure violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.

 

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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If itâs a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows itâs way more likely to be a cop.

Some officers are required to carry on and off duty.

Do you really think unholstering for every meal is going to cause less negligent discharges?

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The police should be under the same burden as a private citizen to comply with posted businesses IMO. If its a negligent discharge the business is worried about history shows its way more likely to be a cop.

 

Hmmmm....

So....

Private biz says 'No firearms'...

Get back to me when an officer responds to a violent call to that business...

 

Negligent discharge risk?

Get back to me when you statically can prove that when an officer is patronizing a business that it is safety issue when an LEO stops in for a cup of coffee or doughnut that these establishments have ventilated walls, floors and ceilings.

We'll wait...

Again, havent heard any argument where it would be more advantageous for a police officer to be armed where a law abiding conceal carrying or open carrying citizen shouldnt be.

Lets play the hilarious qualified immunity tapes. Obviously an ND while carrying is extremely rare. Im just saying why I believe armed citizens are less of a risk than armed law enforcement due to differing legal standards. A conceal carrier has more to lose so they pay more attention to armed responsibilities. https://youtu.be/_1QaZXJPNA8https://youtu.be/2Hocp-d79Oghttps://youtu.be/KUonA66btgIhttps://youtu.be/orloQnzBRCwhttps://youtu.be/YnoJ4uqUa1Uhttps://youtu.be/Hvfbikv0gBchttps://youtu.be/kQWukUgjynwhttps://youtu.be/JQxcuOJvn90https://youtu.be/8PWSO3e_1gMhttps://youtu.be/GzDVfOoa5TU

I could go on, these arent high stress situations where cops had negligent discharges. I would think there are more EDCrs in America than cops, yet anecdotally cops make up the majority of negligent dischargers. Its also my same argument (linked a ton of news stories in the past) on why arming school staff makes a lot more sense than wasting tax dollars on a washed up worthless cop to roam school halls.

 

So unholstering for every meal is a good idea?

 

 

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So unholstering for every meal is a good idea?

 

If you are a private citizen that is forced to comply with every single posted business I would hope youve worked out a carry solution that doesnt require you constantly unholstering and unchambering a round, then rechambering a round and reholstering. Just taking a gun on and off your belt is an inconvenience. We should make law enforcement bear the same inconvenience if people want to post their antigun political signs on their businesses.

 

Due to qualified immunity law enforcement is a lot less careful with guns. They get their guns frequently stolen and seem to have more negligent discharges.

 

After a few negligent discharges and stolen guns from law enforcement, supposedly more qualified to carry, businesses would think twice about being posted.

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Giving this thing a shove back towards topic, Molly Moons seems to like the money, but not the patrons:

 

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/889918522

 

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VANEK SMITH: And so what's happening with that now?

 

MOON NEITZEL: CHOP was cleared out by a mayor's decree. It feels like our neighborhood has been sanitized. It's very sad. There's no one around except police officers. It feels like a ghost town. Then a businessman visiting from California came into our shop and put his credit card down and said, I want to buy all these police ice cream, and he bought hundreds of police officers ice cream.

 

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So we've always had these signs in our windows that say we're a gun - Molly Moon's is a gun-free zone. So we put up a sign that just said, like, police officers, basically, this applies to you, too. We're a gun-free zone. Like, we just don't want guns in our shops. And that has just created a lot of backlash. I've gotten, like, threats, lots and lots and lots of threats...

 

VANEK SMITH: Really?

 

MOON NEITZEL: ...That people are going to come rob - or worse - our store because the police won't come now.

 

VANEK SMITH: So you've basically gotten it from both sides - from people who thought you were buying ice cream for the police and now from the police, who feel like you're telling them they can't come into your shop.

 

MOON NEITZEL: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So unholstering for every meal is a good idea?If you are a private citizen that is forced to comply with every single posted business I would hope youve worked out a carry solution that doesnt require you constantly unholstering and unchambering a round, then rechambering a round and reholstering. Just taking a gun on and off your belt is an inconvenience. We should make law enforcement bear the same inconvenience if people want to post their antigun political signs on their businesses.

Due to qualified immunity law enforcement is a lot less careful with guns. They get their guns frequently stolen and seem to have more negligent discharges.

After a few negligent discharges and stolen guns from law enforcement, supposedly more qualified to carry, businesses would think twice about being posted.

 

It’s a fringe opinion, but fair enough

 

 

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