tkroenlein Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:00 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:00 AM https://www.facebook.com/100003275932906/posts/2557796977672808/?d=n This is a public FB post detailing unprovoked expired FOID shenanigans. FOID was applied for. I think this is not acting as a sanctuary against unconstitutional gun laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:12 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:12 AM We are watching this very closely and are in the process of getting more information. If it happened as reported, we have lots of questions for the Sheriff. I ask everyone to hold their comments until we know more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:34 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:34 AM I think the problem started with the ISP. I recently talked with 3 friends that applied for FOID cards. All 3 of my friends have had FOID cards in the past and had let them expire. During the application process they were denied. One of my friends is friends with our state senator and he was told that the ISP can't differentiate between a card that has expired or has been revoked. That's a problem within Itself. This particular situation seems different as it sounds like she applied for the renewal, so her card should be valid. I'm going to wait and see what other information comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:39 AM Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:39 AM He's a couple miles up the road from me and my wife works with him seasonly (currently.) I do not believe the post is a misrepresentation of the truth. I'm sure the local LE acted professionally and were accommodating in facilitating the "transfer." The problem is they showed up, period. If I hear any info that suggests there is a legitimate reason for this gal to be deprived of her rights, I'll be sure to update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:44 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:44 AM He's a couple miles up the road from me and my wife works with him seasonly (currently.) I do not believe the post is a misrepresentation of the truth. I'm sure the local LE acted professionally and were accommodating in facilitating the "transfer." The problem is they showed up, period. If I hear any info that suggests there is a legitimate reason for this gal to be deprived of her rights, I'll be sure to update.Thank you, it's good to have someone local! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:45 AM Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 02:45 AM This is the Jasper County Sheriff's Alert on the topic. They clearly know that some are not legit, and the state is incompetent. Probably because the state spent the firearm services money on crony prostitutes. http://www.jaspercountysheriff.net/alerts/4529768401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 29, 2019 at 03:06 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 03:06 AM I see the problem with the revocation language. When you become revoked, that initiates the process of LEO'S coming to ensure you are not in possession of firearms. Maybe when you're cards expire it should be considered a simple suspension and not considered a problem. How does the mere possession of a FOID card or FCCL automatically make you a firearm owner. It doesn't and it shouldn't. I think they're using the revocation process as a backdoor to registration. Once revoked you are required to fill out a firearms disposition form identifying all of your firearms and who will be in possession of them. This whole process needs to be done away with. VOID the FOID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted December 29, 2019 at 03:14 AM Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 03:14 AM Yes, the whole thing is infuriating. What a ridiculous proposition, being found a criminal under a law the state is sabotaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:34 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:34 AM Yes, the whole thing is infuriating. What a ridiculous proposition, being found a criminal under a law the state is sabotaging.THIS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:40 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:40 AM ... How does the mere possession of a FOID card or FCCL automatically make you a firearm owner. ... When your FOID is "revoked," the ISP requests all FFLs that transferred firearms to you to provide them with copies of your 4473s, which includes manufacturer, model, and serial numbers of the firearms. If that list is empty, I suppose they might not do anything. Meanwhile if it's not, they match that list to the list of dispositions they require you to provide to make sure you accounted for them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted December 29, 2019 at 05:59 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 05:59 AM ...How does the mere possession of a FOID card or FCCL automatically make you a firearm owner. ...When your FOID is "revoked," the ISP requests all FFLs that transferred firearms to you to provide them with copies of your 4473s, which includes manufacturer, model, and serial numbers of the firearms. If that list is empty, I suppose they might not do anything. Meanwhile if it's not, they match that list to the list of dispositions they require you to provide to make sure you accounted for them all. Keeping a record of who you transferred a firearm to was to be a way of helping law enforcement in an investigation, and to ensure you did the transfer properly. Now under a FOID expiration, it becomes the expiree performing registration of firearms that now belong to others. hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted December 29, 2019 at 06:54 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 06:54 AM What does “shall not be infringed” mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX63 Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:50 AM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 11:50 AM I initially thought this was a northern Illinois story but then realized this was rural and 40 minutes from my in laws, who live in the sticks.Wow.The ISP can't get their half arsed department together well enough to properly process applications and renewals but they can make dam sure they process door knocks on expired foids and confiscation patrols. ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted December 29, 2019 at 12:28 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 12:28 PM Having an expired FOID is no reason to show up and confiscate anyone's guns.Nobody needs a FOID to be in possession of firearms since that would be 100% unconstitutional. Now if the state wants to require a FOID to purchase, that might be one thing, although I'd also argue that it's still unconstitutional. VOID the FOID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOCK22 Posted December 29, 2019 at 01:44 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 01:44 PM My guess would be that the FOID was expired before the renewal took place. Not enough details at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:01 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:01 PM Now if the state wants to require a FOID to purchase, that might be one thing, although I'd also argue that it's still unconstitutional.That was the way it started out in the 60's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:22 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:22 PM The FOID was marked as revoked. The sheriff says the deputy only showed up to collect the FOID card and to see if firearms needed to be transferred to a valid card holder. Husband had a Foid so no problem. Sheriff says they only take firearms if a felon. Checking for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:28 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 04:28 PM All of this while there is a ruling pending review before the Illinois Supreme Court stating it is unconstitutional to require a FOID to possess firearms in your own home...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 29, 2019 at 07:27 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 07:27 PM Not to mention that FOID fees (you know, the ones you have to pay to exercise a right and to keep your card from expiring) are swept into the General Fund....... Seriously. The fact you have to pay to maintain a right, otherwise once your card expires, you dont renew, and you purchased firearms before (thus you get sent a ISP firearms disposition form to fill out), this is all nothing more than a long game extortion scheme to fund non--related state programs and harass gun owners who dont renew when theyre told. Unless a crime has been committed to lose the FOID, this is all unconstitutional and needs to be challenged ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:18 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:18 PM Back in the mid 90's My FOID card was expired a year before I noticed it. Amazing that nothing happened in that year up to the point that I renewed my FOID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:25 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:25 PM Back in the mid 90's My FOID card was expired a year before I noticed it. Amazing that nothing happened in that year up to the point that I renewed my FOID card.I know, right! You could have turned into a wacko because you weren’t carrying that card in your wallet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 08:57 PM Back in the mid 90's My FOID card was expired a year before I noticed it. Amazing that nothing happened in that year up to the point that I renewed my FOID card. That was back when you could possess without a FOID, you just could not buy one in this state. Death by a thousand cuts. ^ this *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:34 PM Share Posted December 29, 2019 at 09:34 PM Does the process of coming to someones home and taking their possessions, be they firearms, cutlery, precious metals,etc without a warrant issued by an actual judge violate the 4th and 14th amendment? ...How does the mere possession of a FOID card or FCCL automatically make you a firearm owner. ...When your FOID is "revoked," the ISP requests all FFLs that transferred firearms to you to provide them with copies of your 4473s, which includes manufacturer, model, and serial numbers of the firearms. If that list is empty, I suppose they might not do anything. Meanwhile if it's not, they match that list to the list of dispositions they require you to provide to make sure you accounted for them all. Who is to say those were not sold or transferred to someone else? I thought at the federal level they are not allowed to have lists like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:01 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:01 AM https://jcdailynews.com/sheriff-brandon-francis-releases-press-release-december-29-2019/?fbclid=IwAR1yi3UOjh7fKDQ2C1jyRgR3qEawDwD1lXFFDGiqdK6B2usHpxgP4wqGuqg Jasper County Sheriff releases statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:05 AM Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:05 AM Here is the Sheriff's account. I'm not too upset about what Jasper County did. I just hate Illinois' politicians. It's time for a reset. https://jcdailynews.com/sheriff-brandon-francis-releases-press-release-december-29-2019/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:06 AM Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:06 AM https://jcdailynews.com/sheriff-brandon-francis-releases-press-release-december-29-2019/?fbclid=IwAR1yi3UOjh7fKDQ2C1jyRgR3qEawDwD1lXFFDGiqdK6B2usHpxgP4wqGuqg Jasper County Sheriff releases statement. Ahh. You posted whilst I was typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:37 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 12:37 AM I wrote this letter to warn people of what I felt were non-valid reasons of FOID revocations. As I state in the letter the SheriffsOffice has nothing to do with the Illinois State Police Firearms Bureau. I do not agree with many ofthese revocations and suspensions. When we collect the Non Valid FOID it is sent to the Illinois StatePolice Firearms Bureau along with the Firearm Disposition which list the firearms and who the firearmswere transferred to. These items must be received by the Illinois State Police Firearms Bureau beforethey will consider reinstating the FOID. We will assist people in filling out these forms if they want helpand we will mail them off for the individual.Just following orders, but I dont like it..... I get it, but submitting a list of firearms that the revoked/expired FOID holder has is backdoor registration. I dont blame the sheriff. This is a problem created by the ILGA and the ISP. Props to challenging some of the reasons for revocation (doesnt seem like it changes anything though). Big test will be what these pro-2A sheriff do if the BS onslaught of legislation is passed and the ISP states they have to enforce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric D. Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:42 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 03:42 AM ...How does the mere possession of a FOID card or FCCL automatically make you a firearm owner. ...When your FOID is "revoked," the ISP requests all FFLs that transferred firearms to you to provide them with copies of your 4473s, which includes manufacturer, model, and serial numbers of the firearms. If that list is empty, I suppose they might not do anything. Meanwhile if it's not, they match that list to the list of dispositions they require you to provide to make sure you accounted for them all. The problem with this is that without a significant expenditure of effort, they only know if a background check was requested. I've bought firearms and then changed my mind and never received anything - but the background check was completed. They'd supposedly know that, if they followed up, but it would take a lot of effort to chase down every 4473 that I've ever filled out. And there are decades-old private sales where a FOID check was never done. And I've suffered a number of insurable losses, and I may not have all of the "keep for 10 years" paperwork showing who received said firearm (but it's gone). And then there are the boating accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:12 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:12 AM ...How does the mere possession of a FOID card or FCCL automatically make you a firearm owner. ... When your FOID is "revoked," the ISP requests all FFLs that transferred firearms to you to provide them with copies of your 4473s, which includes manufacturer, model, and serial numbers of the firearms. If that list is empty, I suppose they might not do anything. Meanwhile if it's not, they match that list to the list of dispositions they require you to provide to make sure you accounted for them all. The problem with this is that without a significant expenditure of effort, they only know if a background check was requested. I've bought firearms and then changed my mind and never received anything - but the background check was completed. They'd supposedly know that, if they followed up, but it would take a lot of effort to chase down every 4473 that I've ever filled out. And there are decades-old private sales where a FOID check was never done. And I've suffered a number of insurable losses, and I may not have all of the "keep for 10 years" paperwork showing who received said firearm (but it's gone). And then there are the boating accidents.I have a hard time believing the ISP contacts every FFL in Illinois requesting a search for an individual that has had their FOID or FCCL revoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:41 AM Share Posted December 30, 2019 at 04:41 AM ...When your FOID is "revoked," the ISP requests all FFLs that transferred firearms to you to provide them with copies of your 4473s, which includes manufacturer, model, and serial numbers of the firearms. If that list is empty, I suppose they might not do anything. Meanwhile if it's not, they match that list to the list of dispositions they require you to provide to make sure you accounted for them all. Who is to say those were not sold or transferred to someone else? I thought at the federal level they are not allowed to have lists like that? When you sell or otherwise transfer your firearms to anyone else, you're supposed to keep records of it for 10 years. If you don't, they'll charge you with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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