InterestedBystander Posted August 8, 2019 at 11:02 PM Share Posted August 8, 2019 at 11:02 PM Since UBC looks like it will get some focus when Congress returns, I took a closer look at H.R.8. This eliminates private sales and requires a check by an FFL. Without change, it looks like this will do the same to medical marijuana card patient/caregiver holders as Willis SB1966...i.e. prevent purchasing of firearms due to the 4473 form. I see there is another separate bill putting in an exemption for states with medical cards but that hasnt been voted on at all. McConnell: Gun background checks will be 'front and center' in Senate debatehttps://thehill.com/homenews/senate/456776-mcconnell-gun-background-checks-will-be-front-and-center-in-senate-debate# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty4IL Posted August 9, 2019 at 02:10 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 02:10 AM National Background Check must guarantee us National Reciprocity and elimination of GFZs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted August 9, 2019 at 02:11 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 02:11 AM National Background Check must guarantee us National Reciprocity and elimination of GFZs.It would be nice, but it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchDoctor Posted August 9, 2019 at 02:30 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 02:30 AM Weed and firearms. not such a good idea in my book. I love freedom, but will take safety over getting stoned any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quackersmacker Posted August 9, 2019 at 03:38 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 03:38 AM National Background Check must guarantee us National Reciprocity and elimination of GFZs.Oh, man, that's a good one! You're keeeeeeeling me with that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 9, 2019 at 04:30 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 04:30 AM I just emailed my senators asking they add amendments to any UBC legislation that legalizes national reciprocity and eliminates GFZs. I pointed out UBCs would send the message that nobody has to worry about the gun owner because they're background checked, along with current 14th amendment issues. GFZs violate civil rights, and are akin to racist laws that prevented blacks from sitting at the counter at Woolworths. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 9, 2019 at 04:44 AM Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 04:44 AM I just emailed my senators asking they add amendments to any UBC legislation that legalizes national reciprocity and eliminates GFZs. I pointed out UBCs would send the message that nobody has to worry about the gun owner because they're background checked, along with current 14th amendment issues. GFZs violate civil rights, and are akin to racist laws that prevented blacks from sitting at the counter at Woolworths. Sent from my SM-N960U using TapatalkGood luck with that. Pretty sure thats a no go with Durbin and Duckworth here in IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 9, 2019 at 06:03 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 06:03 AM I just emailed my senators asking they add amendments to any UBC legislation that legalizes national reciprocity and eliminates GFZs. I pointed out UBCs would send the message that nobody has to worry about the gun owner because they're background checked, along with current 14th amendment issues. GFZs violate civil rights, and are akin to racist laws that prevented blacks from sitting at the counter at Woolworths. Sent from my SM-N960U using TapatalkGood luck with that. Pretty sure thats a no go with Durbin and Duckworth here in ILKeep going.... You're almost there. The goal would be to make the original legislation undesirable enough to make it pass. If it does pass we get something out of it. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearsmithy Posted August 9, 2019 at 06:08 AM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 06:08 AM in before boat accidents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted August 9, 2019 at 04:48 PM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 04:48 PM Adding reciprocity and elimination of GFZs would be a poison pill as we know Dems won't negotiate. I'm fine with that. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWBH Posted August 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 10:26 PM I'm sure this would end all the crime committed by gangbangers - after all they get their guns legally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 9, 2019 at 10:49 PM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 10:49 PM Adding reciprocity and elimination of GFZs would be a poison pill as we know Dems won't negotiate. I'm fine with that. Sent from my VS987 using TapatalkYou get it. If anybody is going to kill the legislation, let it be the Democrat-controlled House. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted August 9, 2019 at 11:28 PM Share Posted August 9, 2019 at 11:28 PM I've been saying Trump is a trojan horse, now Reid Henrichs is saying it too. https://youtu.be/ut7ZYx8KMVg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:57 AM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:57 AM I've been saying Trump is a trojan horse, now Reid Henrichs is saying it too.https://youtu.be/ut7ZYx8KMVg+1 Trump has lost me. He can kiss my rear end. Not like it matters in IL anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted August 10, 2019 at 12:38 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 12:38 PM Trump hasn't signed any bills yet in regards to unconstitutional gun laws. So far it's all talk.I think we should wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted August 10, 2019 at 05:39 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 05:39 PM Trump has to talk about doing it to keep the democrats from using it as a campaign issue against him. Right now gun control is the dem's number one issue. Trump has to take that away from them. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted August 10, 2019 at 06:37 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 06:37 PM Trump hasn't signed any bills yet in regards to unconstitutional gun laws. So far it's all talk.I think we should wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions. I agree . Also if it comes down to voting for Trump or any Democrat for President , well I'll just say , Pres. Trump will again get my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:19 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:19 PM I see there is another separate bill putting in an exemption for states with medical cards but that hasn't been voted on at all. Weed and firearms. not such a good idea in my book. I love freedom, but will take safety over getting stoned any day. WitchDoctor, Is it recreational marijuana or medical marijuana that you feel uneasy about mixing with guns? Medical marijuana isn't about getting stoned. There ARE those of us that need pain relief that would benefit from such a bill. My pain doctor strongly advises me to get a MM card during every visit and I have explained more than once that because I'm a gun enthusiast, I won't apply for a card due to the 4473. She then asks "How many guns do you have? Don't you have enough?" and I explain, "I like collecting them. Why should I be limited in how many guns I can collect? Car collectors aren't banned from purchasing cars when they acquire a MM card and cars kill far more people than guns do. So why should I be penalized and lose a cherished freedom to gain some much needed relief from pain?" Illinois decriminalizing small amounts of pot won't benefit me either because again, I'm not looking to get high, I need more pain relief than my medicine provides. And not ALL medical marijuana contains the THC that gives one the "high". Now, I realize there are those that will run to their doctor feigning non-existent pains to get a MM card, just as many lazy folks have done to get a handicap card to get the closest parking spots. And I'm told weed makes you passive while booze usually makes you less inhibited and/or more aggressive. I would say alcohol raises more concerns that marijuana does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:23 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:23 PM Can somebody please identify who would be the perfect ruler of all humanity so we can stop arguing about who is better than who? /sarcasm If there really was such a thing as the perfect representative then everybody would have one already. Politicians are no better than a typical automobile. You utilize as intended. After a few years you trade them in for a newer model with more tricks. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:33 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:33 PM Trump hasn't signed any bills yet in regards to unconstitutional gun laws. So far it's all talk.I think we should wait and see what happens before jumping to conclusions.I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:40 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 07:40 PM Yep. Lip service appeases the masses. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird76Mojo Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:01 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:01 PM I see there is another separate bill putting in an exemption for states with medical cards but that hasn't been voted on at all. Weed and firearms. not such a good idea in my book. I love freedom, but will take safety over getting stoned any day. WitchDoctor, Is it recreational marijuana or medical marijuana that you feel uneasy about mixing with guns? Medical marijuana isn't about getting stoned. There ARE those of us that need pain relief that would benefit from such a bill. My pain doctor strongly advises me to get a MM card during every visit and I have explained more than once that because I'm a gun enthusiast, I won't apply for a card due to the 4473. She then asks "How many guns do you have? Don't you have enough?" and I explain, "I like collecting them. Why should I be limited in how many guns I can collect? Car collectors aren't banned from purchasing cars when they acquire a MM card and cars kill far more people than guns do. So why should I be penalized and lose a cherished freedom to gain some much needed relief from pain?" Illinois decriminalizing small amounts of pot won't benefit me either because again, I'm not looking to get high, I need more pain relief than my medicine provides. And not ALL medical marijuana contains the THC that gives one the "high". Now, I realize there are those that will run to their doctor feigning non-existent pains to get a MM card, just as many lazy folks have done to get a handicap card to get the closest parking spots. And I'm told weed makes you passive while booze usually makes you less inhibited and/or more aggressive. I would say alcohol raises more concerns that marijuana does. LMAO! Have you tried modern medical pot? Mind-blowing potency. Just unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM Share Posted August 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM Have you tried modern medical pot? Mind-blowing potency. Just unreal. Taking the correct dosage, enough to treat the condition, would be a big factor in keeping it medicinal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnyb82 Posted August 11, 2019 at 12:59 AM Share Posted August 11, 2019 at 12:59 AM Taking the correct dosage, enough to treat the condition, would be a big factor in keeping it medicinal.That IS the "correct dosage" to which he is referring. A couple hits (tokes, whatever you wanna call it) of that stuff will floor most people. I mean, I know cancer patients who use it and it kills pain when opiates won't and they develop a huge tolerance. They ARE high. That's just a byproduct. But the level of impairment can't be measured because of the tolerance. Some people can be completely...fine, others not so much. Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted August 11, 2019 at 11:17 AM Share Posted August 11, 2019 at 11:17 AM After a few years you trade them in for a newer model with more tricks. This is what I keep telling my wife I'm going to do with her. You're right though, there is no perfect person. But even with Trump's flaws, he's the best candidate by far to be voting for in the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Power Posted August 11, 2019 at 03:42 PM Share Posted August 11, 2019 at 03:42 PM They can just hold Illinois up as a shining example of how Universal Background Checks work! Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kster Posted August 11, 2019 at 03:48 PM Share Posted August 11, 2019 at 03:48 PM in before boat accidents funny that. it's not illegal to lose a firearm in a boating accident. nor is it illegal to find a firearm in a river and keep it. sounds like i'll be buying a private fishing lake and also offer snorkeling and finding river treasure tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 12, 2019 at 02:41 AM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 02:41 AM A few days ago I placed an order for a bundle of 8" PVC pipe and end caps. Now taking sales orders. PM me for price. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted August 12, 2019 at 02:49 AM Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 02:49 AM A few days ago I placed an order for a bundle of 8" PVC pipe and end caps. Now taking sales orders. PM me for price. Sent from my SM-N960U using TapatalkWhen you get to smaller size pvc then you start drawing attention. https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20190810/lombard-man-charged-with-possessing-explosive-materials Lombard man charged with possessing explosive materials Lombard police early this week served a search warrant at the home of Daniel Waters, 22, after learning that he may have had guns and explosive materials, according to a news release from the DuPage County state's attorney's office. Authorities found a diatribe written about starting a militia and multiple bags of materials and other items used to make bombs, such as potassium nitrate, sulfur, activated charcoal, pipes, ball bearings, BBS and PVC pipe, the release said. Waters is in custody at the DuPage County jail on an unrelated domestic battery charges, the release said, but was charged with one count of unlawful possession of explosive material, a felony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted August 12, 2019 at 05:27 PM Share Posted August 12, 2019 at 05:27 PM A few days ago I placed an order for a bundle of 8" PVC pipe and end caps. Now taking sales orders. PM me for price. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk When you get to smaller size pvc then you start drawing attention.https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20190810/lombard-man-charged-with-possessing-explosive-materials Lombard man charged with possessing explosive materials Lombard police early this week served a search warrant at the home of Daniel Waters, 22, after learning that he may have had guns and explosive materials, according to a news release from the DuPage County state's attorney's office. Authorities found a diatribe written about starting a militia and multiple bags of materials and other items used to make bombs, such as potassium nitrate, sulfur, activated charcoal, pipes, ball bearings, BBS and PVC pipe, the release said. Waters is in custody at the DuPage County jail on an unrelated domestic battery charges, the release said, but was charged with one count of unlawful possession of explosive material, a felony.That's why you setup a non-union electrician contractor company first. /sarcasm Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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